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Jaystew 05-06-14 06:51 AM

Started making my own nautical maps.
 
I wanted to get some better maps of the contours of the oceans, depth maps specifically. Can't find anything of good quality online without being limited to small size. So I decided to start making maps for operational areas.

The work will be slow but I plan to knock out a few dozen.

No1 http://i.imgur.com/4qwnnAA.jpg
No2 http://i.imgur.com/eWvI9eS.jpg
No3 http://i.imgur.com/HifwSx6.jpg
No4 http://i.imgur.com/EXXWmvn.jpg
No5 http://i.imgur.com/4Ejpvx4.jpg

REVISED and FINAL RELEASE Group No1 - No5
http://imgur.com/a/ssMsk#0 Link to the album containing all the contour maps...

Actual maps...
http://i.imgur.com/4qwnnAA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eWvI9eS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HifwSx6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EXXWmvn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4Ejpvx4.jpg

Let me know what you think. Feel free to use.

OldWulf85 05-06-14 07:06 AM

Wow :o Good work !

Defiance 05-06-14 07:39 AM

Niceone :up:

Sailor Steve 05-06-14 10:29 AM

CHARTS! They're nautical charts!

Thank you. Now that I have that out of my system I feel much better. :O:

Oh, and that one is lovely. I can't wait to see more. :rock:

Aktungbby 05-06-14 01:25 PM

a little help from a cartography nut
 
This should help if you haven't discovered it on your own; Just finished reading the Great Cartographers - a useful tome in your endeavors!:salute: http://www.kartengruppe.it/index.php/nordmeer-deutsche-admiralitatskarten :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:Good work!:Kaleun_Salivating:awaiting great results! The one of San Francisco Bay (4' x 5') hangs on my mancave wall and is in my GPS Sailor IPOD which hangs in the gangway hatch when at sea-keeps the positional mapping paperwork down!:yep: Now if I can brain out the tacking on my new auto steerer to it, I can open a Hamm's!??:timeout:

Jaystew 05-06-14 02:40 PM

Thanks for the positive feedback. I have been looking online for the actual charts they used, with depths. Alot of the materials online are blurry or non-existent. There are also terribly incomplete.

Was hoping we'd get more detail on the ingame map but oh well. The biggest thing I think that is missing is the depth contours. Where is that 100m and 200m line. The all important line of survival where the water gets deep enough to survive depth charged right?

So finally decided to make my own and then sort of standardize the format of them. If you liked that last one I think you'll love the next one coming.

Thanks much.

Jaystew 05-06-14 03:07 PM

I like that site. I just cant see anything on those maps. The quality of the images is too poor. You can't make out any depths at all. Major features yes, navigable features no.

kartengruppe 05-06-14 05:59 PM

kriegsmarine cartography on www.kartengruppe.it
 
contact me directly through this for:
http://www.kartengruppe.it/index.php/contatti
I think I may help you

KG

Aktungbby 05-06-14 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaystew (Post 2204405)
I like that site. I just cant see anything on those maps. The quality of the images is too poor. You can't make out any depths at all. Major features yes, navigable features no.

http://www.kartengruppe.it/immagini/...976-OBlatt.jpgARE we looking at the same site?

Jaystew 05-06-14 07:22 PM

Read me a single depth off that chart. Maybe I need my eyes tested. Last time around I was better than 20x20. It might be possible to make that chart large enough and then sharpen it but I dont think so.

See this as an example of what I'm making.
http://i.imgur.com/w3N2DQZ.jpg

I find it easier to read.

Aktungbby 05-06-14 10:33 PM

Apologies Thought you were interested in the contour lines only and would imput depths as you liked. Actually in the movie Master and Commander, the captain uses a loupe to look at the chart details and I am using a 5" glass lens on a flex stand to examine my post map; The way to go here IMHO would be to determine what commercial 'chandleries' are operating in areas you wish to map. In CA that is West Coast and they sell totally detailed charts on the heavy paper for around $13.00, as with my exceedingly detailed San Francisco Bay Entrance chart. These are becoming collectable as the Bureau of Engraving and Printing is ceasing as technology (IPODS) take over. A search of English and perhaps German boat supply stores would surely carry the same product. Keep up the great cartography! At least when you do 'operation drumbeat' you'll have no problems with the East coast! :salute: http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/AtlanticCoastViewerTable.shtml http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineVie...up0/5-10-4.jpg < Charleston Harbor similar to my SF Bay chart!:shifty:

banryu79 05-07-14 02:56 AM

Outstanding work, awsome! :o

Defiance 05-07-14 03:23 AM

Hiya's,

You have to dl all the rar's and extract, you use the pw given, then you get pdf's and on the chart parts u get images, i can zoom right in on desktop to see easily all depths etc

Amazing stuff :yeah:

Jimbuna 05-07-14 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaystew (Post 2204472)
Read me a single depth off that chart. Maybe I need my eyes tested. Last time around I was better than 20x20. It might be possible to make that chart large enough and then sharpen it but I dont think so.

See this as an example of what I'm making.
http://i.imgur.com/w3N2DQZ.jpg

I find it easier to read.

Now that looks really promising :cool:

Jaystew 05-07-14 05:30 AM

Yeah the NOAA ones are great. But they only cover the USA areas, and the other problem is there is no way to declutter them. Plus they have loads of modern data. So while detailed and great for their purpose I have ruled them out as a real source for WW2 cartography.

kartengruppe 05-07-14 10:30 AM

kreigsmarine map- High resolution scan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaystew (Post 2204472)
Read me a single depth off that chart. Maybe I need my eyes tested. Last time around I was better than 20x20. It might be possible to make that chart large enough and then sharpen it but I dont think so.

See this as an example of what I'm making.
http://i.imgur.com/w3N2DQZ.jpg

I find it easier to read.

You understand, it is impossible for me upload full scan off all my maps and atlases on my collection. My site it isn't a business site, so I put only 1200 pixewl pics. And 1200 pixel are no many to see a 40 inch map!

But some time ago I've uploaded on mediafire some full scan. See here, it is an old post but it have some interesting links

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=198880


by www.kartengruppe.it


PS: yours pics are a good job but, if you would realistic, remember, KM maps have names & informations only in their language

Defiance 05-07-14 11:05 AM

Thankyou :salute:

Jaystew 05-07-14 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kartengruppe (Post 2204636)
You understand, it is impossible for me upload full scan off all my maps and atlases on my collection. My site it isn't a business site, so I put only 1200 pixewl pics. And 1200 pixel are no many to see a 40 inch map!

But some time ago I've uploaded on mediafire some full scan. See here, it is an old post but it have some interesting links

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=198880


by www.kartengruppe.it


PS: yours pics are a good job but, if you would realistic, remember, KM maps have names & informations only in their language

Your map collection is an inspiration. I am unable to make out the depths which are the missing aspect of the maps in the game and on your images. I dont mean to be critical. They are originals and while a few are of the resolution needed to make out important information 1200 pixels is not sufficient to represent a 40in map in my opinion. For my purposes they are not usable.

I have created my maps to aid in navigation and for depth. The online program I am using to generate the base maps has the information in English. I have looked online for months to try to locate German resources or original German database but can't find anything of central or workable value. I am not going to be translating the information into German but you are free to do so if you wish, I have no restrictions on their use.

The end product is a result of these base maps plus my own research using google earth, and then some filters applied via pixlr. They also include custom decals from various materials online. I would love to see the most detailed images you can create. I have to make patchwork maps because the information is only drawn on the screen a little section at a time and then I need to copy and paste them together.

It takes me about 3 hours per map to get just the data, then fix names/coordinates/add decals/ and finally formatting. That is enough work for me for a simple navigation map. I also do not plan to color these as I think most maps/charts were not in color.

The original intent was black and white charts but they don't have enough flavor for me so I tint them up nice.

P.S. Tried your link in 3 different browsers but it keeps saying retry. So its not working right. Might want to fix that.

kartengruppe 05-07-14 04:56 PM

visit my site, sometime!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaystew (Post 2204648)
.....Tried your link in 3 different browsers but it keeps saying retry. So its not working right. Might want to fix that.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/9gxg4e...ngruppe.it.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/download/vy...ngruppe.it.zip

http://www.mediafire.com/view/pz2joq...ngruppe.it.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/view/vfd900...ngruppe.it.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/td...ngruppe.it.rar

http://www.mediafire.com/download/85...ngruppe.it.rar

http://www.mediafire.com/view/17mt6p...ngruppe.it.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/download/qo...ngruppe.it.zip

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ng...ngruppe.it.rar

http://www.mediafire.com/download/kl...ngruppe.it.rar

if the rar file is protected, the password is kartengruppe.it

Jaystew 05-07-14 08:06 PM

Im going to try and handle this tactfully. This thread is a listing however of the maps I'm making. I would ask you please refrain from asking simmers to check out your site here in this thread.

You have a business and I'm happy for you. I am a capitalist too. To claim that you are you are not engaged in the business of selling these maps when all of your maps have your logo watermarked on them and therefore are obviously property, i.e. products and that you are actively selling on ebay which is linked from your site and using my thread to market your site is what I would call a violation of good faith since. I have not been asked and have not agreed to sponsor or support your efforts and I'd appreciate it if you stop doing that.

Some might conclude that we are working together in the effort to steer you business and it appears to me that you are using this thread to try and sell your password protected "products" and steer people to your website and in turn your map auctions.

If your intent is to make money that is fine. Please don't misrepresent your intent.

If I have it wrong please forgive me and I will yield to your explanation in your thread. Meanwhile I will continue to add my works here and there will never be any charges for them.

That is all.


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