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Fifi 05-01-13 12:53 AM

FX Update torpedo splash back!
 
Hi :salute:

EDIT:

So our "dream team" of SH5 has reworked and released an update/add-on for TDW FX Update!
It's called "New Torpedoes Explosion - FX Update add-on"
Thanks to Volodya, Gap and all involved in it!!
New torpedo splash and effects avalaible below, and has to be activated after FX Update.


http://www.mediafire.com/download/58...date_add-on.7z

volodya61 05-01-13 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fifi (Post 2049583)
Hi :salute:

For those who want the nice torpedo hitting splash, i've changed one value in FX Update torpedoes_g7a-e file, using S3D app, to put back stock effect visible any distance...

Good find Fifi :up:
Why don't you use Goblin to edit files?

Fifi 05-01-13 06:26 AM

I made my hand on S3D with SH4...and find it easier.
You know i'm still very basic learner, and Goblin is complicated to me :)

volodya61 05-01-13 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fifi (Post 2049646)
I made my hand on S3D with SH4...and find it easier.
You know i'm still very basic learner, and Goblin is complicated to me :)

I see..
I have long wanted to get a closer look at these effects.. maybe it's time to do it.. :D

Delta Wolf 05-05-13 06:55 AM

Hey Guys,

Just a quick question
So i was about to go ahead and install this file to get the nice splash effects, however when i copy/paste into FX Update/data/library my PC asks me do i want to move and replace the file that's in the folder? or move and keep both files?

What would be the correct way?

Thanks all :salute:

volodya61 05-05-13 07:41 AM

@ Fifi

Perhaps it would be better to ask TDW - where to edit his file than return to the stock settings :06:


@ TDW

TDW, tell us please - where and in what file exactly should/can we edit for increasing range of visibility of your torp explosion water splash effect?

Thank you

Echolot 05-05-13 08:16 AM

Quote:

What would be the correct way?
I guess, you should replace the file. :up:

Fifi 05-05-13 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiberiusXIV (Post 2051686)
Hey Guys,

Just a quick question
So i was about to go ahead and install this file to get the nice splash effects, however when i copy/paste into FX Update/data/library my PC asks me do i want to move and replace the file that's in the folder? or move and keep both files?

What would be the correct way?

Thanks all :salute:

Save your original file somewhere (to put it back later on if you want it again) and apply for move and replace. Don't keep both files in same folder, it's useless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volodya61
@ Fifi

Perhaps it would be better to ask TDW - where to edit his file than return to the stock settings

He might be busy with something more important...
To me, the stock setting i'm putting back is only a programed visual effect with no interference to other torp file settings he might have done.
But i'm no expert :D
Only can tell i'm using this effect back from quite some time now, and did not noticed any side effect in game using FX Update...

gap 05-05-13 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi (Post 2051792)
Save your original file somewhere (to put it back later on if you want it again) and apply for move and replace. Don't keep both files in same folder, it's useless.

Or you can enable Fifi's patch on top of Fx Update using JSGME, as you do with any other mod :03:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi (Post 2051792)
He might be busy with something more important...
To me, the stock setting i'm putting back is only a programed visual effect with no interference to other torp file settings he might have done.
But i'm no expert :D
Only can tell i'm using this effect back from quite some time now, and did not noticed any side effect in game using FX Update...

For what I can see from Fifi's screenie, he just put back the Id of the old torpedo splash effect. Doing it shouldn't cause any side effect.

If for future editing you want to know exactly which effect is used, just open bazafx.dat (where most of the stock effects are stored) in s3d and look for the same Id with the search function or, even better, open the torpedoes_g7a-e.GR2 file in Goblin, merge its sim file, merge bazafx.dat, and then expand any amun_torpedo controller, as you would do with S3d. The water_explosion property will display the name of the effect, instead of its Id :know:

Delta Wolf 05-05-13 12:10 PM

Thanks Guys :)

volodya61 05-05-13 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2051813)
For what I can see from Fifi's screenie, he just put back the Id of the old torpedo splash effect. Doing it shouldn't cause any side effect.
If for future editing you want to know exactly which effect is used, just open bazafx.dat (where most of the stock effects are stored) in s3d and look for the same Id with the search function or, even better, open the torpedoes_g7a-e.GR2 file in Goblin, merge its sim file, merge bazafx.dat, and then expand any amun_torpedo controller, as you would do with S3d. The water_explosion property will display the name of the effect, instead of its Id :know:

Hi Gabriele :salute:

Here is a small misunderstanding.. I wanted to learn from TDW - where exactly to edit ranges of visibility of water splash effect in his files :yep:..
I already figured out it is in - TDW_FXU_Torp_Exsplosion_Particles.datTorpExsplosionSplashRDelay (RInitial, LDelay,LInitial) → ParticlesGenerator.. and what now? there are two tabs - GlobalScale and GlobalScaleFar, and both have sub tab - Distance.. so, which one? :hmmm: :06:
Maybe you know?

gap 05-05-13 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2051830)
Here is a small misunderstanding...

Ah okay I see your point now :up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2051830)
...there are two tabs - GlobalScale and GlobalScaleFar, and both have sub tab - Distance.. so, which one? :hmmm: :06:
Maybe you know?

As I see it, GlobalScaleFar distance is the maximum distance at which the low definition effect is visible; GlobalScale is the same, but for full resolution. Density and opacity scales might play a role too. :salute:

volodya61 05-05-13 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap (Post 2051871)
As I see it, GlobalScaleFar distance is the maximum distance at which the low definition effect is visible; GlobalScale is the same, but for full resolution. Density and opacity scales might play a role too. :salute:

Unfortunately I tried both ways (GlobalScaleFar and GlobalScale) and no luck so far.. I had set the same values as in particles.dat (stock effects).. nothing.. if I set the stock effects to the torpedoes .sim, everything is OK and I can see water splash in a 1 km and further.. TDW's water splash I can see only in a 200-300 meters.. :shifty:
Maybe TDW someday could find a couple minutes and will fix this issue :03:

Fifi 05-05-13 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2051880)
Maybe TDW someday could find a couple minutes and will fix this issue :03:

I agree, but i couldn't wait :D that's why i found this little turn around...
I really enjoy to see huge water splash each torp hit! :rock:

gap 05-05-13 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2051880)
Unfortunately I tried both ways (GlobalScaleFar and GlobalScale) and no luck so far.. I had set the same values as in particles.dat (stock effects).. nothing.. if I set the stock effects to the torpedoes .sim, everything is OK and I can see water splash in a 1 km and further.. TDW's water splash I can see only in a 200-300 meters.. :shifty:
Maybe TDW someday could find a couple minutes and will fix this issue :03:

what are far density and opacity set to? :hmm2:

volodya61 05-05-13 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap (Post 2051884)
what are far density and opacity set to? :hmm2:

Didn't tried/looked in yet.. just 20 minutes ago have read in your post that they may be involved.. now going to try :)..

gap 05-05-13 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2051886)
Didn't tried/looked in yet.. just 20 minutes ago have read in your post that they may be involved.. now going to try :)..

yes, if they are set too low and the effect itself is not big enough, you will hardly notice it at far distance.
Not saying that this is the actual problem with Fx Updates, but tweaking those two parameters might be worth a quick test :salute:

volodya61 05-05-13 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap (Post 2051889)
yes, if they are set too low and the effect itself is not big enough, you will hardly notice it at far distance.
Not saying that this is the actual problem with Fx Updates, but tweaking those two parameters might be worth a quick test :salute:

I finally figured out what's wrong :nope:..
I/we can't edit TDW's files in Goblin.. they are saved incorrectly and don't work (after my edit) at all.. I can only open up them but not edit..

EDIT: So, only TDW be able to find a couple of minutes and fix this issue and help us all..
any other thoughts, Gabriele? S3D doesn't open these files.. even with new files which you sent me earlier..

gap 05-05-13 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2051914)
I finally figured out what's wrong :nope:..
I/we can't edit TDW's files in Goblin.. they are saved incorrectly and don't work (after my edit) at all.. I can only open up them but not edit..

EDIT: So, only TDW be able to find a couple of minutes and fix this issue and help us all..
any other thoughts, Gabriele? S3D doesn't open these files.. even with new files which you sent me earlier..

:yep:

I was going to ask you how you had managed to save your changes :-?

volodya61 05-05-13 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2051924)
:yep:

I was going to ask you how you had managed to save your changes :-?

Kidding me? :D
I remember he had once advised you to change the height of the chute opening (FX Update).. that's why I was sure that I'm able to edit his files.. at least in this mod..
Any thoughts how can I save them?

EDIT: HEX-Editor?


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