Have no children
 

http://child-free-zone.blogspot.co.u...t-to-have.html

He misses one small but important detail (the social and economic distortions caused by abrupt demographic changes), nevertheless in general is right. Nobody gets born into slavery, nobody can be demanded to serve communal interest for the only reasons that he exists. Everybody is free to reject to comply to such demands - although then he also forfeits all rights to direct any demands for rights and benefits. - Some will think this blog entry contradicts my own earlier arguments in defence of families as social core institutions. It does not, when considering the last sentence in italic.

Myself, I have none.

I have yet to see any of your wierd ideologies which do not either contradict themselves or each other.

This is a nice illustration of your totalitarian mindset, anyone is free to have all their rights taken away by you.:doh:

Where does he say that? All I see is him talking about his personal decision not to have children and asking that others consider doing the same.

I said:

Everybody is free to reject to comply to such demands - although then he also forfeits all rights to direct any demands for rights and benefits.

The context was as given in posting 1. The idea behind my reasoning is where you refuse all duties and contributions you cannot nevertheless claim all rights and benefits for yourself: that would be rosin-picking.

What is your problem?

I'm divorced, used to have financial problems due to the this and when I see my daughter I could not imagine not having her.
On the cynical side also...have children they just might turn out smarter and better than you are.
....I forgot....this new facbook generation spells doom to the world :har:

-- Richard Stallman

What do I care? I decided not to own a goldfish. I'm not writing about it.

The man has issues. I recommend a full psychiatric write up.

Sounds self-centered and lazy to me. I guess responsibility is not a word he thinks about often. The path of least resistance for this guy is avoiding it all together.

I read this as, "I'm not getting any play." He will get divorced and having kids is nothing but trials and tribulations. Looks to be the one best excuse as to not having a viable relationship or taking on responsibility other than himself. I have a co-worker like this. Only cares about himself and satisfaction.

I would say this was a worthwhile read but I would be lying.

Okay, I see that is your judgement and not his.

True, but then where did he say he wanted otherwise?

In general? I have lots. Where would you like to start?

With your post? Only that I found it confusing. Sorry.

A bit late for me, my youngest is twenty on Friday.

Gotcha beat by a decade. :O:

I read it as "not getting any" and "I am a miserable git who is not getting any" with a side order of "daddy didn't love me"

At your age I'm hardly surprised :)

Strange, as I type this the top two GT threads are...

"Have no children"

"Ask the man who owns one"

Nothing wrong with the former but concerned about the latter :)

I sincerely wish that people like that do not have children.

Overpopulation? Really. If we moved everyone to South Africa the population density would be equal to that of Tokyo. If we packed in more like they do in places like Kowloon we would all fit in a country like Croatia. You figure with all that extra land we would be able to support our selves.

The real problem is energy generation and transmission. Too much of our infrastructure is old and inefficient (or nonexistent). Large amounts of cheap energy allows you to do all sorts of interesting things, grow more food, build bigger machines, alter the environment.

If only there was a magic rock or big glowing orb that generated free energy.

Exactly Tribesman. Let's toss in, "What's in it for me?"

We have over 7 billion people on this globe. Far too many, resource-wise and ecology-wise.

Problem is that we have billions too many people in underdeveloped countries, and millions too few in industrialised first world countries. So there are structural problems basing on regional differences. the industrial world is feeding the underdeveloped world. If the industrial world suffers due to demographic chnage and overaging, this decline by some million people has effects for all billions of global population.

That is why it is no contradiction to hope for more babies in the first world, and a very huge decline in babies in the third world.

In total, I estimate we are 5,5 - 6 billion too many, globally. If sustainability of resources and comparable minimums of material living conditions should lead the way, I think that globally this plan et cannot hold more than 1 - 1,5 billion people in the long run.

Big jackpot-question is how to get there without wars, pandemics, starvations and natural disasters.

We could start with rooting out those who for religious reasons campaign against condoms (and injections), like recently in Kenya as just the latest of so discouragingly many example of human stupids hating other humans and telling them ways to multiply human suffering and agony in this world.

ain't gonna happen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78

I sense a lot of hostility in you over this... why? I know many people who are making this choice, people who do not as you put it care for themselves or their own satisfaction. People who are doing much more for this world and society as a whole, than plenty of people with kids. Don't even get me started on the huge number of people who I really think probably should not be parents.

You make it sound like this is an easy choice for many of us... It isn't. I am one of those people who feels it is probably best that I do not bring children in this world. It is not an easy choice, but in many ways I feel it is the least selfish. There are too many people on this planet as it is, and I suspect even with current numbers we are at serious risk for extinction in the next couple of millennia.

If we do not stop being so arrogant, so full of hubris, so self centered, and so blindly stupid, we will sign our own death certificate.

As for your co-worker, I know lots of people like that who have kids too, and think they are the center of the universe as well. Honestly sometimes I think they act even more entitled.


So you think there isn't a population problem across the globe? Most of the land in the world is not arable, or requires a lot of technology and vast amounts of water to work (and is highly destructive long term), or is forest (something we cannot afford to sacrifice). Ironicly in the US and Canada (and I would say Europe too), we have destroyed crazy amounts of farmland for housing. What were some of the most naturally fertile areas got plowed under by cities (which tended to be founded near good local food sources).

Energy is going to be the least of our problems. Sources of useable water will be the big one. The US (and many other countries) are rapidly heading towards major water shortages. First off huge swaths of farmland in the US are dependent on aquifers for most of their water, aquifers that will soon run dry and will take millions of years to refill. Second, river water levels are much lower, in many areas they are lower than ever recorded. Scientists think this has to do with global warming reducing the amount of runoff each year (the major source of water for many rivers). Limited water = very limited food supply & limited industry.

Another major concern is GMO plants. These products have the potential to wipe out major crops. For one thing, companies like Monsanto are trying very hard to develop sterile crops. Crops that you can't replant, that force you to buy new seed every year from Monsanto. Aside from being extremely unethical, this is incredibly reckless and dangerous. The problem is (and I am sure they are trying to make this happen) is that these GMO crops will contaminate non gmo crops around them, due to cross pollination. Theoretically this could sterilize all variants of the plant (including the seed crops grown by the company) and wipe them out as a species. Imagine if this happened to wheat, or corn, and/or rice...

Lastly do you really think us purposely trying to control the greater environment is at all a good idea? Every single attempt at us controlling nature has tended to be pretty disastrous in the long run.

Not to mention the problems that we're having with the world's oceans. Like it or not, the undeniable truth is that a lot of our oceans are just being plain fished out.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/world/...rticle_sidebar

Stories like this make me sad and pessimistic, and I don't blame folks who choose to remain childless one bit.

I don't have kids, and I don't plan on it anytime soon, if at all. I've been saying since I was 16 years old that I didn't want kids. Everyone told me I'd change. I'm 33 now and I still don't.

Good thing there is a supply of water greater than Earth's and its only 900 million km away: Europa.

Really this whole environment thing is a bit of fuzz on a big sphere of nickel and iron. Throughout most of the history of Earth it was inhospitable to its current inhabitants. It's the humans who anthropomorphize that, and assume it is some kind of stable paradise until we messed with it. Entire biospheres have developed and have been destroyed over the history of Earth before humans even evolved, heck it very well might have been plants that wiped out 20% of lifeforms way back in the Devonian period. The current environment will be wiped out by this unstable planet in an unstable universe one way or another.

Humans are the 1st species on this planet that have the intellect to built what the universe has not given us; a stable environment to live in.