Okla. Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder: 911 Operators Say It's Okay to Shoot
 

"Can i shoot the intruder if he gets into my home?"


"I CANT TELL YOU TO DO THAT BUT YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO PROTECT YOUR BABY."

and yes... it is OK to shoot and kill an intruder, both the woman and the 911 operator acted within the confines of the law.

bury the intruder in a cheap cemetery plot and go back to raising the baby.

One thing's for certain the intruder won't be doing that again. Kudos to the operator and the mom.

Good for her! And, as GR said, the operator didn't actually tell her it was okay to shoot, but she did say what she was allowed to, and she said the right thing. The other intruder is probably grateful he's alive.

Castle Law for teh win.

Strike up another win for the good folk :sunny:

Well guess it's obvious that you shouldn't screw around with a widow mom armed with a 12 gauge shotgun.

HunterICX

Legal or not, shooting an intruder must be a terrible thing to live with. I hope she can deal with it or get help dealing with it.

These guys were breaking in specifically because she was there. This was not a burglary gone wrong. They meant to at the very least rape her. Good for her.

She did herself, her kid, and society a favor. The only downside was that she didn't off both of them.

Source?

What woman with an infant is out new years eve? Had they wanted to burgle, they'd have come a work day.

Sorry, source was OP story. It said New Years Eve. Any B&E at night has to assume the residents are home unless they watched them leave.

Besides, the story said:
He attacked her.

Or they could have come to kill her. Or hold her child for ransom. Or kidnap her. Or conduct a home-invasion style robbery. The list goes on. You just seemed so assured that the crime was sexual in nature that I figured to ask if you had some additional information on the event.

Regardless of their intent, if you break into a home when its more than likely someone is at home AND armed with weapon, or inflict bodily harm, its a home invasion. Why is that a big deal? Lawmakers finally figured out that if someone is not safe in their home, then where can they feel safe. Home invasion has enhanced penalties and more importantly, is a qualifier for felony murder, if that should be outcome.

Kudos to all involved and more importantly : I rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

What could a newly widowed teenage mom with a new infant ever be doing out on a workday as that would only be done by......
some non any or all?
pick the two possibly correct answers and remove the two definately incorrect answers and try again.

Follow the source.... it was the middle of the day on new years eve.
That means you are making an assumption about an assumption that is made by you on your faulty interpretatation of information


Agreed, but tater wasn't satisfied with that and felt the need to ratchet up the rhetoric to sentationalise it.

agreed.

like something Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies...

When you kill a man you have to make a split second decision to take everything he has away from him, to take everything he will ever have away from him, to reduce everything he ever could be to nothing.

when an intruder breaks into your home with a 12" hunting knife... he has obviously already made those decisions regarding you.

fire away

I did not say they came to rape her, I said at the very least they came to rape her. Worse violence also possible, my point was that ANY home invasion when the perps have the expectation of meeting the resident during their crime has to occur under the assumption that the perps mean grave bodily harm to anyone inside. If they were ONLY after goods, they'd come like the vast majority of burglars***8212;during the work day.

that was my understanding of your comment.


we all know full well that they didnt bring a 12" hunting knife to help her change diapers and offer their condolences.

unless of course it was the late husband's 12" hunting knife they had been borrowing and they just really really really wanted to give it back like right now. :haha:

but something tells me thats not the case

Ah, poor writing. Eve means evening, or did when I took writing and grammar. Regardless, it's a holiday when any burglar would expect the victims to be home regardless of the time of day, NOT a work day (M-F, 8-6, say). When anyone I know wants to make plans to meet on New Year's Eve DAY, they always add the "day" because if they invite me over for a beer "new year's eve" I'll come, you know, in the evening.

No, it was a home invasion. When perps case the place (they did), and intentionally attack when the people are home (any weekend day, or any night (assuming they are not otherwise aware that the victims all work nights or weekends)), there is the presumption (a good one) that they mean harm to the homeowner/resident. If they meant no harm, and wanted goods, they come during the work week. You will find that burglary stats back this up. Most (the vast majority) US burglaries happen during the regular work week and work hours. They also last a surprisingly short period of time. Break in, and leave within a handful of minutes.

Coming when you expect people to be home is a de facto presumption of intent to harm. US law in most states agree, which is why she's not at all charged. That's the point of allowing this kind of self-defense in the home by law. The ;law in fact makes it clear that the perp has no standing to even claim he had no intent to harm, his presence inside a home without permission is proof of violent intent, and explicit permission for the resident to use deadly force.

So I am sensationalizing nothing. As I said above, rape was the least she should expect given armed intruders who knew she was home. I said "least" because rape doesn't require that they take her life, and there would be little reason for violence that would not take her life (if they'd be willing to assault her for no reason, then why not rape her?). NOte that that doesn't mean there is any certainty they would have, but she had no choice but to assume that this was the case. Failure to make this assumption is a very bad bet.

She did everyone a favor, they should give her an award.

IMHO it is dangerous to distinguish between intruders who intend to harm the occupants and intruders who do not intend to harm the occupants.

there is no distinction IMO

intruders - it must be assumed for the sake of your own life - intend to harm persons or property or both within the home.

As a legal firearms owner in a bad state to own them in I asked about this scenario to a cop buddy of mine.

He told me if I shot an intruder he would be forced to arrest me for manslaughter. He thinks it is crap, as our gun control laws are draconian here. Easier for a hood rat to get a gun, than an upstanding citizen.

He told me, not all states have "castle" laws.

I am glad most others haven't had their rights taken yet.