Light the blue touch paper and stand well back...
 

God didn't create the universe according to Hawking: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci...903-14rva.html

I'll be selling popcorn in the foyer: http://ui30.gamespot.com/573/popcorn_4.gif

The Prisoner, Episode 5

No.6..."The trouble with science is it can be perverted."



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:haha::haha::haha: I'm surprised that it took this long for someone to post this topic.

It's true because I did. No really.

I just can't remember it :haha:

Same here, hence the OP. I'm also surprised at the mild reception here so far.:sunny:

All the Bible thumping Republicans around here are probably prepping their bullets, beer and burgers for the holiday weekend...

:O:

:doh: I on the other hand am working all three days... so in advance: you all suck... ;)

oh who and I'm kidding if I had the days off I would just be spending it playing HOI2 and screwing around with 3ds max... :haha:

I'll bet if this thread title was something like, "Acclaimed physicist Stephen Hawking's says God did not create the universe", it would be two, to three pages full of rabid bit chomping already.

The hypothesis that god created the universe can be true depending on the definition of god.

Considering how little we know about the universe, I would say that no one on Earth can have a clue as to what/who created the universe.

Hmm, did someone just do the kick off for the inevitable drama? :O: (edit: well.. more like punt the ball)

Scuse me while i go get the popcorn ready. :haha:

And we haven't known even half of the universe not even a quarter of it and here a man telling us that nobody and nothing created everything. And because the universe so far has been ever expanding I don't think man will ever able to explore whole of it of it at any time. Unless we could devise a way to travel faster than the rate of the expanding universe. I wonder what would space be like at the fringes of 3D dimensional existence....

So nothing created the order which we are privileged to live in out of total nothingness that transformed nothingness into chaos and into order.

Sure I'm religious and I believe God created everything just that I do not know how He exactly created everything and I don't pretend to know. And sure I can't prove God created everything but I do know that what I'm seeing in this life is a grand design of things that puts an equilibrium and order enough to sustain living beings in it which become the flavor that gives meaning to time and becoming the heart and soul of this otherwise empty three dimensional dark space. Now this equilibrium that enables vulnerable living things to sustain themselves must not be a coincidence. What we are seeing is order and not chaos and because chaos can never become order we know chaos didn't create this universe and because nothing creates only nothing and because of everything is from everything else we know for certain that everything must have a beginning. And because it has a beginning it must have an end and when something has a beginning and an end it must have a purpose and when something has a purpose it must have originated from an intelligent design or plan.

Not sure if its possible to reach the fringe of the universe. Our known universe is based on our ever expanding light horizon- the maximum distance light can travel to us since the start of the universe. If we sent a ship to the edge of that horizon we would find another light horizon of equal size and so on. I think its possible this continues on forever.

Another question to ponder is if you each the edge of matter in the universe (the "farthest star" if you will) does space just stop? Or does hard vacuum continue on forever?

There are christians that like to say the big bang is entirely possible
it goes something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyL1m0I3IN4

frankly, I applaud that Stephen Hawking is pushing aside the possibility he could go to hell for saying what he's saying. takes guts.

Possibly but a name like that would have been dull and too easy. As this famous legend from many a firework is actually quoted by Hawkings himself and in the article I thought it apt. Looks like all the cantakerous ones are on holiday for the weekend.

That's no worse than the Norse creation myth.

The Egyptian cult in Heliopolis has one of the best creation myths I think :haha:

But still, what is todays scientific fact may be tomorrows scientific fiction, the big thinkers don't always get it right, some of Einsteins theories are being questioned today IIRC. However, whether it was the work of a God, an alien being or scientific process no one will know for certain, it will be one of those unanswerable questions short of some divine intervention or human mental transcendence.
Personally, I think this universe was created by the collapse of the one before us, and so on and so forth back until the first universe...but the billion dollar question is, what started THAT universe. :hmmm:
We'll never know. :haha:

Then the Christian creation myth. First there's just god, he blinks his eye and POOF there's the universe:doh:

At least Germanic Paganism does not have some bible "explaining" how exactly everything is created. Germanic Paganism at least acknowledges we do not know everything.


Pah. If you don't believe in god/hell there's no need to be afraid of it. Personally I hate god/christ so there's no way I'm possibly going to end up in "heaven".

Ah well as the Frisian king Radbod once said, I rather spend eternity in hell with my friends than in heaven with my enemies.

Its funny thing to be send to hell by allmighty bening who created universe.
He must have quite ego problem.

Actually, the Genesis account of creation implies that there is much about the workings of the universe that is beyond the comprehension of man. The heavily symbolic and metaphoric language is as a presentation of creation to pre-technologic man; hence the use of 'days' and 'nights' in reference. It also introduces the concept of Sabbath; a day to which reflect and give thanks to The Creator for, well, Creation. All in all, it's a very logical foundation for a voluminous religious text.

you' ll have to take that up with him when you get there.

yea made you really wonder what is it like on the fringes of 3 dimensional universe that just didn't exist 1 second before :D

In my opinion the whole existence or creation as we know it was definitely put in motion and is still in motion which we casually termed as time that is the ability to track changes surrounding and remembering those changes around us,

otherwise this whole grand motion of existence would be unknown, not enjoyable and not witness-able.

We are the spectators of this which was put in motion and which is still in motion, a grand existence in which we partake in this tiny period of time to marvel on it and to become part of it for a little time and to fill it with our consciousness which otherwise would be largely just empty dark void, mindless and soulless and dead. Thus we are in essence the witnesses of this whole creation and both at the same time, the resulting consciousness of this whole creation.

And i just couldn't believe that we are who we are because of some odd accident or a freak coincidence because everything fits beautifully and in a harmonious order, reliable, stable and life sustainable. And because chaos could not create order out of it ever and because nothing only creates nothing and because motion must be started by something and because that something must have implied a beginning and because that beginning is a proof of design judging the results of it and because design implies intelligence I must refuse to accept that this whole marvelous things I'm looking at including my beautiful wife and children as a result of a god damn freak accident.

Just like when you look at a Ferrari, beautiful and functioning and able or with a purpose and enjoyable you must say what a piece of engineering amd you would be nuts if you said it was what it was by itself. Bear this in mind when you're out close with the nature and looking at that mountain or mountain range or the tranquility of that lake or the majesty of the open sea or when just simply staring into the eyes of your loved one. What a piece of engineering!