No wonder Obama draws large crowds to his rallys
 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...ly&btnG=Search

Just google that.

-S

PS. This means that McCain draws way more people simply wanting to hear his speeches.

heeere we go again....

Your ability to extrapolate such a conclusion apparently out of thin air astounds me. :o

Is this such an important electoral issue for you this November? By this I mean, is it important how many people the POTUS can pull at a rally or speech? Are issues such as jobs, retirement pensions, healthcare, security, energy and so on way down the pecking order?

I give you 10/10 for persistence and tenacity :lol:

If you think about it a little bit, this kind of tactic can influence peoples opinions of how popular a candidate is (especially if coverage of the "events" makes no mention of the free concerts). What's really important is, does it influence voters to see thousands of people coming to see the "savior of our nation". Unfortunately, the answer to that is yes, it would influence thousands of ignorant voters into thinking that he must be good since so many people come to see him.

Or simply because he is black as evidenced by this persons candid admission in a UK Times piece today:

Exactly Mikhayl. :yep:

My point wasn't that tactics like this are only used by one side, just that calling the conclusion (and the practice) non-meaningful (i.e. posts 2 and 3) is not valid.

BTW : That voting because of race can be used both ways, both for and against.

I was actually questioning Subman's conclusion when he said "PS. This means that McCain draws way more people simply wanting to hear his speeches." I neither said nor implied that the whole crowd thing was non-meaningful.

Indeed. :yep: I'm sure that there are some African American voters out there voting for Obama simply because he is black.

There does seem to be a recurring theme here. I think 10/10 is on the money.

@Konavolov My apologies if I misunderstood the intention of your post. It did seem to imply that the concept that Subman espoused was incorrect. Was that not the intention? If one event includes a free concert and another doesn't, is it not reasonable to conclude that at least a percentage (probably a higher percentage than one would assume because of the age of Obamas followers) of the attendance of the event with a concert would be there simply for the free concert? If so, then Subman's conclusion isn't so unreasonable and certainly isn't pulled out of thin air (especially if you interpret "way more people" to mean a higher percentage).

As for whether it's important or not, that's whole different story.

Reminds me of this saying back in the 60's as to why most anti-war rallies were over by 5pm. Because it gave everyone a chance to get home in time to see themselves on the 6pm news...

That sums it up pretty well. We all know that concerts, especially free ones (I might even go myself to see a free concert!) draw in people.

What I do find funny is that people here are denying it! I mean seriously! I guess people think the moon is made out of cheese too. :D

-S

Well where else would blue cheese, and blue cheese dressing come from!!!!!!!!?????????????:lol:

Maybe so....

But, then again we elected W twice....so who are we to judge??

As my momma always says, "ignorant is as ignorant does." :oops:

Obama will be the next president. We are voting anything in office that isn't a republican. Black, Asian, it doesn't matter. We would vote in a cardboard cutout of William Shatner as long as he wasn't a republican.

I think the republicans should be happy about this. They can blame the disastrous Bush policies all on Obama.

argh
 

I am trying to say something in this forums, but alas, I am so much ignored and ridiculed. :doh:
But that doesn't stop me from talking s..t yet again. And yes, my english is bad. I do not care..
I have a question..
Is any american, are they any, that take time to watch and listen to those slimy debates in your "our economy is wrecked, we are into two wars, LOOSING, so let's make this elections mighty important" presidential elections?

It cannot get into my head how come anyone who listened those two guys can even compare them? I mean, do you even listen to Mccain and then count his mentioning of Reagan? How many times he says "I was a soldier in those times"?
Why do you think unconditioned talks with Iran are not possible? What that guy thinks, that americans are some kind of gods or God given country so that ahmadinejad has to obey your laws or else americans will nuke him.
That is why I think Obama is better. He is the only one(not even damn Moore sucker) who mentioned that USA currently holds dictators all over the world by the principle "if he is ours we support him". He tells war against terrorism in Iraq is bollocks. Has any american even listened to the man?
A little detour..
Really funny to me about american elections is to check out how cruel americans can be and to watch their media censorship, :rotfl: AMERICAN freedom of the press.
I mean, talking about the war in Iraq "that failed because it did not stop terrorism, we pay fuel more(!?), over 4000 our brave troopers(those people are payed to die) died there etc." is a great way of talking "if we are loosing that is not good, how can we the great loose a war,let's kill our leader". That's from Moore. On CNN you can watch "war in Afghanistan" broadcast. And there you see a guy talking how american troops help people in Afghanistan and people love them and so on. It is not odd to me. The odd thing is that a guy is standing next to a big cannon contantly fired by american soldier. Very nice help. In other words "let's tear your country down and give you democracy, Madonna and coca cola and then let us rebuild it and take even your soil but sorry we have to take also your gas, oil and whatever money you have". Very nice.
Let's lift censorship and talk about this(I am genuinely interested to hear any american, his opinion on this).. What this? This..
Your brave troopers throw or lay nuclear waste from your nuclear plants on Iraqis and whatever stands in american way, your brave troopers guard opium fields in Afghanistan(it seems to me americans are drug dealing all over the world, your brave troopers guard oil rigs and everything connected to oil, your brave troopers kill people all the time, your brave troopers don't hold more than 1/3 of Afghanistan(I know a guy who was in Afghanistan to add to american s..y cause) ETC. And that is not even mentioning south america or every godamn part of this world where americans are present in any way.
The point is..
American are not God made nation so that they can lay toxic waste on others because you pay 4 dollars for a gallon!?
In other words, Putin maybe is a son of a bitch, but he speaks truth when he talks that americans are hypocrits. How can americans tell russians they cannot invade georgia when they are tearing one half of the world allready.. And they present it "that is the way GOD WANTS"!?!? And after all, when will majority of americans understand that 9/11 was done by american governement?

That is why Obama is great to us nonamericans because he doesn't speak like "I am God because God is an american". He looks like an almost honest guy. He talks way better than that vietnam soldier(OH kgb and mia together to rule the world) who cannot comprehense or rather admitt that americans sent their loved one to a war in Vietnam to kill people for nothing other than to get rich their s..y governement and army a...s although as it looks to me, he represents great number of americans whose only opinion on vietnam war or any american war is "we are not sorry we invaded vietnam, we are sorry we lost, we should have won". Or better a quote from a movie "when you kill them in accident of however, you say.. Sorry"


I don't care if you ban me, cut me or ridicule me.. Whatever pleases you..

I wanted to say these thing to the americans. On a forum of my favorite game. You are not "Gods" and your governement kills people, but not for you although in your name.
Obama could make it "less worse"..

You should think about that.

Cheers!

What you have to understand about American politics is that they are driven by emotion and not logic. The conservatives who support McCain will always vote against their own economic interest. They instead they vote their morals at the balot box, ie "I'm not gay" or "we love Jesus". Of course the last 8 years would tell anyone god isn't a republican.

All kidding aside, our country is run by corporations, not the government. It matters little who wins, nothing will change.

its the American "We can, you can't" mentality

Maybe so, but why then does the media play off the estimated number of participants in the crowd? Perhaps to spark some interest as to why so many people are listening to the person on the stage? I believe it does spark an interest in why person X has drawn such a crowd. Once the individual investigates they are exposed to what is being said and the possiblity of becoming active is very real. Lemings to the sea effect.

You give the American voter too much credit in the intelligence department:D

Instead of worrying about who is qualified to do the job and looking into their past actions (i.e. voting records, questionable actions, etc.), the American voter worrites about what is coming out of the politicians mouth (as in what's he gonna do for me). The truth is, what comes out of their mouths is rarely what we get after they're elected.