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Steel_Tomb 03-17-08 12:19 PM

Merged: trouble brewing in kosovo...
 
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200803...a-43a8d4f.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7300015.stm

A sign of things to come?

SUBMAN1 03-17-08 12:25 PM

NATO should pull out of Kosovo and let them deal with their internal issues. Its not like they are going to be a threat to their neighbors, which I consider to be one of the only excuses for NATO involvement in the first place. To have them deal with their own problems will heal a wound that cannot be healed any other way. To stay is to leave that wound permanantly open and viloence like this will be common place unless NATO leaves.

It will probably get ugly after the leave, but in time, get better again. Only time and a hands off approach can fix this.

Its kind of like Americas Civil war. You can't fix it any other way. Imagine if the English stepped in and stopped us from what needed to be done? The problem would never have been fixed, and there would still be violence today.

-S

Steel_Tomb 03-17-08 12:40 PM

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

SUBMAN1 03-17-08 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

Because it is not needed here at all. No one is building a bomb. No one defied their ceasefire orders. No one is blowing up the London bridge. This is an internal strife that cannot be fixed with NATO troops - ever.

And last I checked, the Albanians can handle themselves just fine against the Serbs. WHat needs to happen is to work themselves to a stalemate, and then eventual ceasefire. Then the stone throwing will stop. Or one must overtake the other, and again, it will stop. Until this happens, there will be no peace.

-S

August 03-17-08 12:49 PM

So when is Elite leaving for Belgrade? :rock:

Kapitan_Phillips 03-17-08 12:52 PM

*waits for elite_hunter*

Steel_Tomb 03-17-08 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

Because it is not needed here at all. No one is building a bomb. No one defied their ceasefire orders. No one is blowing up the London bridge. This is an internal strife that cannot be fixed with NATO troops - ever.

And last I checked, the Albanians can handle themselves just fine against the Serbs. WHat needs to happen is to work themselves to a stalemate, and then eventual ceasefire. Then the stone throwing will stop. Or one must overtake the other, and again, it will stop. Until this happens, there will be no peace.

-S

With respect, how do you know there will be peace? We don't know what will happen, I fear there would be much bloodshed in the region if K-FOR pulled out of Kosovo. The troops there aren't to stop terrorists making bombs, or to seek out Islamic extremists, they are there as peacekeepers. Therefore they should stay and do there job, to keep the peace as best they can. I hope with dialouge and negotiations the ethnic differences can be settled without the use of force.

SUBMAN1 03-17-08 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
With respect, how do you know there will be peace?...

There won't be till they fight it out, so now you know. It is something they simply must do. What is almost kind of funny is that NATO thinks they can do something about it.

-S

Jimbuna 03-17-08 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
With respect, how do you know there will be peace?...

There won't be till they fight it out, so now you know. It is something they simply must do. What is almost kind of funny is that NATO thinks they can do something about it.

-S

This could fast become the European Iraq :nope:

SUBMAN1 03-17-08 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna
This could fast become the European Iraq :nope:

It already is.

elite_hunter_sh3 03-17-08 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by August
So when is Elite leaving for Belgrade? :rock:

at this rate very soon... :yep:

yes please, get out and dont come back, this is Serbia and Russias Problem, we will fix it.. ;)

elite_hunter_sh3 03-17-08 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

you obviously dont read your biased news these days :roll:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7300015.stm
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It also coincides with the fourth anniversary of rioting in Mitrovica by Kosovo Albanians which drove some 4,000 people, mainly Serbs, from their homes, and left at least 19 people dead, according to UN figures.
open your eyes.... :shifty:

fyi this riot didnt kill any UN police .... only injured..

"The rioters who have used Molotov cocktails, grenades and possible automatic weapons fire have gravely violated the law," well thats a start..:lol:

August 03-17-08 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
this is Serbia and Russias Problem, we will fix it.. ;)

No it isn't and no you won't. Especially you...

mrbeast 03-17-08 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

you obviously dont read your biased news these days :roll:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7300015.stm
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It also coincides with the fourth anniversary of rioting in Mitrovica by Kosovo Albanians which drove some 4,000 people, mainly Serbs, from their homes, and left at least 19 people dead, according to UN figures.
open your eyes.... :shifty:

fyi this riot didnt kill any UN police .... only injured..

"The rioters who have used Molotov cocktails, grenades and possible automatic weapons fire have gravely violated the law," well thats a start..:lol:

Elite have you ever heard what Ghandi said about 'an eye for an eye'?

Kapitan_Phillips 03-17-08 03:50 PM

Riots, Death, Destruction, Miffed population.


I know where I'm going for my holidays next year!

elite_hunter_sh3 03-17-08 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
this is Serbia and Russias Problem, we will fix it.. ;)

No it isn't and no you won't. Especially you...

says the warmongering american who thinks hes fighting terrorists... :roll:

first of all you shouldnt even be contributing to this topic, speaking alone contradicts every single ideal you stand for (fighting terrorism , bla bla bla), what you dont know (or know but wont accept) is that albanians in kosovo ARE terrorists, proven connections to Al qaeda and mujahadeen and terrorists in chechnya.

second of all You arent contributing anything to your so called war on terror... all you are doing is securing your little sandbox oil fields in iraq, knowing well there was no real threat, the REAL threat is in afghanistan, kosovo, albania, syria, Iran, Pakistan etc.. I hope iraq teaches you a lesson, im dissapointed that vietnam didnt.....:shifty::-?

third of all you have no reason to be in Kosovo or the balkans for any matter at all, EXCEPT oil.. ( why am i not surprised :roll:), the only reason you support bombing the hell out of us because we are crazy terrorists who commit genocide bla bla bla (hint of sarcasm), is because you need a excuse to get caspian oil to europe (to undermine russian oil/gas sales) thats another reason why russia will get involved... they dont like competition...;)

go back to your tv, and keep voting for mccain PLEASE!!! :D:up:

Kapitan_Phillips 03-17-08 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
this is Serbia and Russias Problem, we will fix it.. ;)

No it isn't and no you won't. Especially you...

says the warmongering american who thinks hes fighting terrorists... :roll:

first of all you shouldnt even be contributing to this topic, speaking alone contradicts every single ideal you stand for (fighting terrorism , bla bla bla), what you dont know (or know but wont accept) is that albanians in kosovo ARE terrorists, proven connections to Al qaeda and mujahadeen and terrorists in chechnya.

Show me this proof.

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second of all You arent contributing anything to your so called war on terror... all you are doing is securing your little sandbox oil fields in iraq, knowing well there was no real threat, the REAL threat is in afghanistan, kosovo, albania, syria, Iran, Pakistan etc.. I hope iraq teaches you a lesson, im dissapointed that vietnam didnt.....:shifty::-?
So taking down a middle eastern dictator, having a peace keeping presence in Afghanistan, and bumping up border security to stop terrorist strikes is not contributing? What's Serbia doing other than bitching and moaning amongst themselves?

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third of all you have no reason to be in Kosovo or the balkans for any matter at all, EXCEPT oil.. ( why am i not surprised :roll:), the only reason you support bombing the hell out of us because we are crazy terrorists who commit genocide bla bla bla (hint of sarcasm), is because you need a excuse to get caspian oil to europe (to undermine russian oil/gas sales) thats another reason why russia will get involved... they dont like competition...;)
Of course, Russia will come running when little Kosovo gets bled dry. That's like assuming the big bad boy in school is going to come rescue you because you lent him your Charizard Pokemon card.

And as for warmongering, I dont think I've seen anyone with such ruthless intent for bloodshed as you. If you feel so strongly about liberating Serbia, go and do something about it, instead of sitting in your nice comfortable refuge in a country you detest.

elite_hunter_sh3 03-17-08 04:41 PM

who said i detested Canada??? :roll:
i may not like certain aspects of it (regarding immigration, foreign policy, social

Proof? here you go:
http://www.intellnet.org/news/2001/09/18/6861-1.htm

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/KLA-binladen.htm

By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES - May 4, 1999


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_26_18/ai_90041160/pg_2


http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2007/03/serbia-jihad.html


http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005499.php


http://news.serbianunity.net/2007/03/21/1886/


http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1962


:roll::roll:

elite_hunter_sh3 03-17-08 04:56 PM

a "dicatator" that was no threat to america or any of its allies... some americans use " to secure oil to keep prices down" as an excuse... well looking at the last 5 years prices have gone rediculously up...

Border Security???:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rot fl::rotfl::rotfl:
Have you looked at your own borders recently??? you can get a small army through there (with tanks! :o) :lol: and i will do something about very soon... ill give you another bread crumb... matter of weeks ;)

Kapitan_Phillips 03-17-08 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
a "dicatator" that was no threat to america or any of its allies... some americans use " to secure oil to keep prices down" as an excuse... well looking at the last 5 years prices have gone rediculously up...

Border Security???:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rot fl::rotfl::rotfl:
Have you looked at your own borders recently??? you can get a small army through there (with tanks! :o) :lol: and i will do something about very soon... ill give you another bread crumb... matter of weeks ;)

lol, if I remember correctly, most migrants here are Eastern Europeans. We're giving what Canada gave to you. A place to go. You'd soon change your tune if you were still in the middle of it, trust me.


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