Tmaru and the "Bathtub"
 

Thinking of putting it back, for two reasons:

1.) This post:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...64&postcount=6

So accordingto Dan, its not broke. I did acutally see a refit ONCE, when the game first came out, lost the bathtub and wondered why.



2.) Tower design is historically correct.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0820801.jpg
Grayback (SS-208), port side view,Electric Boat Co., Groton, CT., 31 January 1941.

And if THIS picture doesnt prove it, nothing will:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0821238.jpg
Crew of the Gato (SS-212) posing for a shot in the Northern Pacific, circa 1942.

Personally, i'd like to put it back, but i'll go with the concensus on this one.

Doesn't bother me, I don't fight airplanes.

Be nice if I could get the crew to use the guns on sampans and other small craft, though. Particularly if they fought back and it hurt the deck crew...

tater

Doesn't bother me either. Was never a good shot anyway :lol:

I have to vote no on this one. If they had made the patch fix the bathtub problem (the camera problem really) then I would say leave it historical. But - going back to the historical tower means that those who WANT to play using AA guns CAN'T - and haven't we all said that CHOICE balancing realism is what we desire?

Ducimus, if you go decide to go back to the old tower, then at least make it an OPTION instead of one way or the other. I don't fight planes myself, but I created a tower mod myself because people wanted the option of having a chance to use the AA gun.

Lets not also forget, you may one day be damaged heavily and stuck on the surface with planes incoming and an unusable AA gun..... Shouldn't YOU have the choice too?

This, at least I don't take em' on very much :o


RDP

I'd have to say yes put it back on, particularly as I seem only to get this problem with twin machine guns not with the singles and I also just dive away when I get a aircraft contact. Mind you it would be nice for people to have the option whether they want it or not if at all possible.

I say take it off, even though it is realistic with it on but I just get so sick of getting bombed and sunk by 2 Betty's because the stupid bathtub gets in the way.

I voted yes because it is historcorly corect but I dont agrie with Dan's way of refits.

The problem with having a "chance" on returning to base could still mean you'll have a bathtub forever. :down:

I wouldn't mind seeing it very early in the war but I have doubts that they are removed when they should be.

Yes, that's what I did like in SH3, the option to change the sails when they came available.

if its historically correct, sure.

Any picts of the "bathtub"?

I voted yes
 

But only under the condition that the camera issue gets fixed with a patch. I don't see why it should be either historically accurate OR the ability to fire at all angles. I think it should be historically accurate AND the ability to fire at all angles.

p.s.: and why am I a medic now?

EDIT: Ah, I changed to something else...interesting!

hmmm, gameplay vs. historical realism .... I tend to agree with the naysayers on this one, option for no bathtub for me thanks!

Voted for the Historically correct one. Down the road we could maybe do a tweak for the "position of that gun" to lift it a bit maybe to avoid the blocked view.

I 100% agree.. if the camera is fixed.
Keep it historic.

p.s. wait till you get " the one night in Bangkok avatar" :rotfl: :rotfl:

I don't care either, partly because I too don't fight planes, but also because even if I did, I'd let the gunners do the gunning.

Someone didn't read the original post :roll:


Thats my thoughts. Only reason i really use the AA gun is to shoot sanpans, which isnt very often :88)


Well by that logic, we should equip all boats with the late war towers and paintjobs from dec41 onward.

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Just FYI, i found a pretty intresting link. I was always wondering if the default settings in paintjobs and towers were historically correct or not.

Now from all observations its a pretty safe assumption that the "latewar" tower was accompanied by the grey painjob. And the midwar tower and bathtub that preceeded it was a black paintjob.

THose paintjobs, ive found by looking in the UPC files, and then googleing it, are:

MS 9 = black
MS 32/9SS-B = that aquamarine/grey paint job.


Get a load of this site:
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/submarines.htm


Now all said, Who here knew that the option to put the bathtub back in Tmaru always existed in the Optional mods directory?! Does anyone acutally check there? Let alone read the readme files? I'll bet 10 to 1 that when i put bathtub removal there instead (IE just change the default installation), ill have people screaming at me about the bathtubs being back with absolutely no clue of what is in the support directory, nor the contents of the readme/faq.

I voted yes for historical accuracy. I have had 2 refits on my most recent boat (Gato class). However if they decide to do another there will be nothing remaining topside. Things are pretty bare right now... lol

I absolutely hate the bathtub, if the camera could be fixed so that it was actually possible to use the AA gun I wouldn't be saying this, but for the love of god don't saddle me with the bathtub of obscured vision again.

Ducimus - as for the optional mods directory - I have to admit no I didnt know that you had the choice already IN TM - although I am using 1.3 I suspect its there and I missed it. So Guilty as Charged! Hey, I am one that thinks that if your happy enough to release it - its probably best that I try it out like you released it and then fiddle with it from there - and so far TM hasn't made me do much fiddling.