Drawings, seized from Iraq safe house
 

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Another of many evils in the world.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in680658.shtml

Surely you aren't comparing a US prisoner death rate of .001% to what Al Quaeda does to those it captures are you?

I am comparing deaths under Al Qaeda torture to deaths under US torture. That makes sense right? Im not saying they are the same, I am just comparing them.

It's .002% btw, but that's irrelevant, there is no acceptable rate for violent torture and abuse of prisoners by AQ or the US and both should be bought to account.

What would you call this?

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or this,





the remains

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What do you mean what do I call it?
It's clearly a highly tragic and malicious event.
What it is not is a excuse for more malicious actions, on any scale.

I don't quite see the point your trying to make.

If more people saw the results of the attack on the WTC they wouldn't be so skitish about what the US role is. They would consider what is and is not torture. And who is and who is not the enemy.

I'll show it again: This is the result of falling 1500'.
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The images are certainly very graphic. Frankly, I would not base my code of conduct on that of the terrorists.

I can't justify anything that causes United States Military Officers to be put into the position to violate their sworn Code of Conduct.

I'm sure United States Military Officers are not violating any code of conduct. I think that many have forgotten how the US got here.

I think a few things from seeing this thread - it confirms my thoughts that AQ and the rest of those islamic extremists are nuts, completely nuts. It makes me wonder why still you got half the western world refusing to act against people who do this sorta thing to HUNDREDS of people on a regular basis! Im not just talkin by terrorists, but regimes like mugabes as well, just as an example.

WG, i nearly lost my breakfast mate, cheers. Not cos im squeamish, i've seen my fair share of trauma. the very least you coulda done there is include a warning sport!

Here we go again. :roll:

It's interesting that the pictures are mostly of shaven men torturing bearded men, and that the Al-Qaeda torture safe houses have working electrical outlets.

I wonder if it was an old Mukhabarat Interrogation Manual?

That's what I'm thinking.

My two cents -

Terrible tortuous acts are committed by one country to another country, because the country feels the other deserves it because of wrongs done to them.

You can't tell if I'm talking about them, or the US, can you?

i have the same pen!

Exactly and i'm saying there is no comparison.

.00166 actually, and it is highly relevant. You'll never see any army ever that won't have some of its members cross the line but unlike our enemies the US has little tolerance for it and punishes the transgressors when we catch them. AQ on the other hand glorifies torture and murder.
You don't see a basic difference in that?

Question: Why is the horrific image of a man plummeting to his death not worthy of a warning? That one disturbed me more than the undescriptive muck.

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Yea waste gate...wow...

to post that pic of the man falling in my opinion is poor judgement and lack of respect for the victums.


I haven't forgotten a thing since 9/11 and in fact have become more enlightened about Islam and or terrorists from AL and Skybird as well as making my own judgements from what I have read and observed.To let this act dictate the way we act in the future is folly.We "re-acted" just as humans do, but I think after the years now as Americans are about to reach "graduation" in the school of war and terror to simply act without consul is not smart.Half this country wants to try to forget and half wants blood for the blood spilled.America can not go it alone...

I never really grasped how big of a web of history is entangled in the countrys of the middle east...the history of Iraq,Iran and Israel and Egypt....the whole area there is the history of the world.I look at all sides of the coin...including Americas evoultion and the rise of our "military industry". I watch as our ships now stand poised off the shores of Iran and can only wonder really what the hell is my country thinking?I know what they are thinking....I am an American too....

I understand your anger waste gate I really do....but I don't think the way to honor the fallen is to potray they're actual deaths online...I do not need this as a reminder of what is going on.Sorry for the ramble but that pic I have never forgot and brings great saddness to me.

'Do unto other's' eh waste gate?

Nobody is denying that the bad guys are doing some bad things to us and our allies and those we are meant to be protecting, but that doesn't give us the right to follow the same lines with those in our captivity otherwise we start to become no better than the animals we're fighting against.





Using the image of the guy falling to his death and the remains splattered over the pavement to prove a point about the legitimacy of tourturing detainees in our custody is a pretty low blow, even for you waste gate. :nope: