Re: 'Seawolves' contains Mods by ...
 

Obviously surfaced somewhere off the Florida coast.
:lurk:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...ann/Disc-1.jpg


The view from my house. Not like when I briefly worked there and was very close so I had to look straight up when it went, but this was an important flight for us all..

I have sent my second email to X-1 and have asked for some explanations and made some suggestions. I will post anything or the lack of it when I receive a response.
Rather than post my request as a challenge, I will allow X-1 to say what ever they feel and hope they not only are aware of this degraded situation but in hopes they have resolved any permission problems.

Hawker, I went to bed before your response and just now saw your request.
My point was that while many are outraged that X-1 will sell this (reportedly for $25.00 Euros) and they will make big bucks at the expense of many freeware modders but then you state doubts that anyone would buy a donation ware product for maybe $5-7.00. Can you not see that if no one would want it for a small amount, there is no reason at all to think others would pay five times that. That is what I find funny, it would negate any reason for any concern of the entire subject!!!
From other projects I can tell you there are 5-10-50 lookers that do not participate in these forums. I include my email on freeware and have often helped people with installs that have never posted on a forum.
There would be many people that would love to have a mod package with a self installer that will never attempt a download or mod. Put in the CD, click install and turn on the game. More, many more, are like that than will mod.

UboatRealsim is apparently unwilling to post the number of time mods have been downloaded where most sights list the number. I again ask they do so to better inform us as to the comparison with the number of buyers of SH3 and those that mod it.
I think most would find a self installed mod package would be well recived, particularly at a reasonable price of $10.00 or less.

For me, I like the building it up myself as many here do so it is not for me. But it is naive to assume anyone sees things like the next guy.

Wulfmann

Hello,
while i'm really positively astonished how balanced in a way all the people react and behave i still like to know what a "shyster" is ;) ??

I will not apologize for this sorry fellow-countryman "Deathping", or Trombke guy, neither will i feel ashamed - but i was close :-? . Did not know before that the Israelian flag is "antigermitic" - sounds like a skin disease :lol: . And then he wonders what a "jewish person" does with a german sub simulator ?! I wonder whether there are two directors of X1, one alone can't be that ... err, ok.

Greetings,
Catfish

I just read through all the posts and I have to say it is a tempest in a teacup.

If the release is only a collection of stolen mods then it will be a flop. Most of the SHIII players are here and are informed. They simply will not order.

On the other hand the release may contain something I/we will want.

I plan on waiting to learn what develops and see no need to get all upset and join a crusade at this point.

I have better things to do...like playing SHIII.

From Dictionary.com:

shy·ster n. Slang

An unethical, unscrupulous practitioner, especially of law.


[Probably alteration of German Scheisser, son of a b**ch, bastard, from scheissen, to defecate, from Middle High German schzen, from Old High German skzzan. See skei- in Indo-European Roots.]shyster·ism n.

Word History: Calling someone a shyster might be considered libellous; knowing its probable origin adds insult to injury. According to Gerald L. Cohen, a student of the word, shyster is derived from the German term scheisser, meaning literally “one who defecates,� from the verb scheissen, “to defecate,� with the English suffix -ster, “one who does,� substituted for the German suffix -er, meaning the same thing. Sheisser, which is chiefly a pejorative term, is the German equivalent of our English terms bastard and son of a b**ch. Sheisser is generally thought to have been borrowed directly into English as the word shicer, which, among other things, is an Australian English term for an unproductive mine or claim, a sense that is also recorded for the word shyster.

Thanks August for the explanation :cool:
Greetings,
Catfish

Nope, his English is indeed too good. I do have a very good idea who he is, though. He swears and rants in the exact same way as the guy (let's call him Mr. I-got-permission-from-Microsoft for now) who sent me hatemail a couple of months back.

Just a strong hunch, mind, can't prove it.
But if I, by some means *cough cough*, find this deathping's email or IP address to be the same as the ones I got here in front of me I'm gonna hang him out to dry...

Interesting.

There's no way I can directly assist you, but perhaps someone else here can.

;)

Hey Juju, are there any of your mods in Seewolves?

I wanted to upgrade a free Pacific mod for my SH2, but come to find out the mod wasn't free at all and required payment to subsim.

:hmm:

Not that I know of, but then I don't think I've seen the complete package yet...

'Seawolves' contains Mods by ...
 

Hi Catfish,
Of course everybody behaves balanced and takes a stand against un-subsim.com-style postings. We're a decent community, you know, we only fight at the proper place, the General Topics Forum!
And don't feel ashamed for a countryman (if he is one).
We don't generalise at the SH III forum, only at the General Topics Forum!
:rotfl:

"House" you say?
The Avon Lady and I were argueing whether you could view a launch through your scope or from you bridge...
Nice shot, anyway!
:D

Seeing Wulfmann has Florida listed under his avatar, I believe he could see the launch... as well as just about anyone else on the east coast of Florida could. And I'm willing to bet he lives south abit from the Kennedy Space Center, say Vero Beach area. BTW... nice picture of the launch Wulfie. :up:

Heck, I live in Northern NY and I can see the Space Station pass by overhead at night.

I live in Palm Bay and am about 40miles from the launch by a bird's flight.
I am too lazy to drive closer and have seen them since the 1950s so will rarely walk out the door.
I hate it when they land at night.
They come in supersonic and the explosion can throw you out of bed, literally
I worked 3 launches in 1994 and was at the base for one that went up. Once you have been extremely close nothing compares and no outsider can get within about 5 miles of where I saw that one.
The coolest sight is the pad on launch day at night. Many spotlight are on the Shuttle and they converge into a single stream of light that goes past heaven into space like a giant laser beam. Very unreal looking.. Imagine that is the most impressive sight even compared to lift off how dramatic it must look.
But everything becomes old. I have no desire to travel anymore and write, after 911 I have a different sense of things and would rather mod sims than be in a airport line.
Well and debate insanity issues!! LOL
Wulfmann

German Gamestar mag has postet 50 screenshots of the "addon"!

http://www.gamestar.de/news/pc-spiele/simulation/27069/

Howdidja know I was eatin spaghetti? :know:

Wulfmann, I was there at the Cape in 1971 and didn't want to leave. LOL Great place to visit. Someday I hope to return and see how things have changed.

Nico, most of those screenshots are the same we can see now with the free mods we have at hand. Not much new except for the Resupply Uboat. I even think we can do that now as I have a mod for Resupply. Can't use it just yet as it has a conflict with another mod I have installed. Once I figure out which one is causing the conflict I hope to give it a try.

I've read this entire thread and am quite concerned.

I know no one at X1 and have been reading posts here from subsim members for many years. Even though the announcement of this "expansion" initially piqued my interest, in my books X1 has a severe credibility issue at this point.

I find it very underhanded that anyone's work, done on their time and for the good of our community, is placed on a commercial product without their permission. I've seen companies attempt to practice this type of exploitation with combat flight sim mods as well.

I worry that this type of behaviour will lead people stop making or releasing mods, as one prior poster indicated he has. A sad day indeed :(

I put the onus on X1 (regardless of the legal procedural stuff ;)) to prove that my virtual buddies are wrong. So far the evidence shows, to me at least, they are not. I will therefore not consider purchasing any of their products until they can put my concerns to rest.

I too await some clarification from X-1 but if it was my project I doubt I would engage until things cooled down a bit. Then, I would want to reassure all concerned of a major misunderstanding make sincere apologies for any and remove any mods that permission was not obtained. But, that is just my opinion.

I will say this about all the modders. The ones that have voiced concern, talented people and well respected, are still a small percentage and some of the other heavy hitters have yet to utter a word.
Does this not cause any interest, speculation?
Are they actively participating in the Seawolves project or given permission?
I don’t know but it seems odd we have not heard from the many modders at all.
Perhaps they too have the diplomacy to wait till things cool down.
I hope in fact we can all take a break from this and allow some behind the scenes communication to work this out in a manner that will satisfactorily resolve it, once and for all.

If not, we shall all meet for a rally in Nuremberg!!! LOL

Wulfmann