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ikalugin

10-22-14 10:50 PM

There were several stories about Akulas penetrative towards the US East coast, though considering that SOSUS (and other such sonar systems to cover the GIUK gap) is dead it is not very surprising.

Type941

10-23-14 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2254269)

If I remember correctly it looks very bad.

I in some exercises where Sweden where the hunted(Sub) the ships from NATO(USA, Netherland, England, Canada and some more) couldn't find it. When they was chasing subs from England, they found it, but with huge problems.
(by the way, in one execise from 2004 the Swedish Sub was disqualified not for cheating, it was for not being found-Heard that from a friend)

Edit. In exercises where Sweden was one of the hunter, the Swedish ship found the Sub almost immediately(that is until 2005, from thereon I have no clue how the execises have been going on for us the Swede)
Markus

So you're saying that it's not Sweden who is bad but NATO itself at sub chasing?

ikalugin

10-23-14 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Type941 (Post 2254461)

So you're saying that it's not Sweden who is bad but NATO itself at sub chasing?

Well NATO got rid of its sonar assets in North Atlantic. So it is now easier to penetrative GIUK gap (even though it was quite possible back in the day - Aport and Atrina with Victor III subs come to mind).

daft	10-23-14 02:43 AM

Media seems to have lost interest now. No more live reporting or even updates to existing stories. Everything went quiet after the anchores ships set sail again yesterday afternoon. If anything is actually down there, the crew really knows what they are doing, so kudos to them. Sure, there have been sightings, but the timing of them (daylight) and positions (away feom any search area seem weird. It's either just cognitive bias from the observers or the crew of the submersible either were forced up for endurance purposes or wanted to be spotted (power projection etc.). Now I cincerely doubt we'll ever get any answers.

daft	10-23-14 04:20 PM

I have no idea how reliable RT is, but this popped up (17:06):

http://rt.com/news/line/2014-10-23/#73328

Safe-Keeper

10-24-14 11:41 AM

RT is not reliable at all. It's basically Putin's pet propaganda channel. They've had Alex Jones (of Loose Change fame) on as an expert, which really says something ;) .

daft	10-24-14 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 2254928)

RT is not reliable at all. It's basically Putin's pet propaganda channel. They've had Alex Jones (of Loose Change fame) on as an expert, which really says something ;) .

Eww, well sorry about the link. :D

Anyways, search is called off. This image was published earlier today:

http://www.svd.se/Bilder/Artikelbild...?1414146481000

Might be some very late algae blooming or and underwater outlet pipe, but the taxi boat captain that took it said he'd never seen anything quite like it. It looked like the bottom silt suddenly got disturbed for some reason.

ikalugin

10-24-14 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 2254928)

RT is not reliable at all. It's basically Putin's pet propaganda channel. They've had Alex Jones (of Loose Change fame) on as an expert, which really says something ;) .

Sadly this is true, a better choice would be to use Interfax I would say.

mapuc

10-24-14 03:02 PM

I'm ashame as a Swede if this is true

It's in german hope there are some german here that could give an English explanation

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/...d_4224190.html

Markus

Safe-Keeper

10-25-14 11:52 AM

Watching a documentary (in Scandinavian) right now about U-137, the sub that ran aground in Swedish waters. Chilling stuff, especially the part about it carrying torpedoes with nuclear warheads.

http://tv.nrk.no/program/KOID3700001...-137-paa-grunn

Don't know how I feel about the Swedish navy ending the operation. Guess in a way I'm mostly relieved nothing serious happened. We live in interesting times, as they say.

daft	10-26-14 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 2255189)

That's a good documentary! I am also glad no-one got hurt or killed even though I would have liked it if we had managed to capture whatever it was and determine from what nation it hailed. I think that overall the Navy did good. They seem to have a lot of intel to analyze, so it's going to be interesting to see what they will divulge.

Jimbuna

10-26-14 06:44 AM

The other side of the coin could be that this phenomena will be viewed by some as a failure on the part of the Swedish navy.

I wonder if more funding/attention will be given to the navy in the future.

daft	10-26-14 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2254994)

I'm ashame as a Swede if this is true

It's in german hope there are some german here that could give an English explanation

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/...d_4224190.html

Markus

I'm not sure I follow you. My German is very rusty, but what was upsetting about that article? :)

daft	10-26-14 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2255400)

I very much doubt it was a deliberate effort to up the budget. Obviously impossible to say, but it is now glaringly obvious we need our coastal defence back. Not massively so, but enough to at least have a basic search and subdue capability along our very long coast.

mapuc

10-26-14 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by daft (Post 2255601)

I'm not sure I follow you. My German is very rusty, but what was upsetting about that article? :)

According to the article the Swedish navy stopped the search for foreign sub, due to some kind of threats from Russia.

If my german understanding of the article is correct and it is correct what it says in the article I'm ashame.

I do hope that it ain't true.

Markus

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