He got hit in the throat from behind.
The back brace and bindings he wore stopped the ability to fall forwards once hit.
Those also stopped forwards movement when the head shot came in.
You can see the total effects in the clips!
:nope:

I forgot about his back injury. Those braces would explain a lot of things.

Ya. Crazy stuff eh?
You can see he can not fall forwards as he comes out from behind the sign where the throat shot came in.
You see a slight lean towards the left as the head shot comes in.
Then a slight move forwards as the round hits the back of the head.
The brace and bindings again stop forward movement and help with the rearward thrust from the rounds pressure on exiting the forward side of the head.

As for the other Guy not dropping his hat?
Sever or paralize the wrist muscles or tendons from a shock impact of that sort?
You wouldn't be able to control the reactions in such a short time frame.

Okay but he did not fall forward because as can see in zapruder film, he goes back do to the frontal/side impact.Really, if it were just the film suggesting this, okay but 50 or so witnesses reported shots from the grassy knoll, to the side and front of the car, where the likely head shot actually came from, which caused him to snap back from the impact, which blew the right front side and back of his head out as seen.Really, if it were just the video and one or two people saying shots came from other locations okay, but 50 or so.A Dallas Police Officer reported seeing a man fleeing scene of grassy knoll, who produced Secret Service Credentials, he let him go, turns out the man was not SS as all SS agents were accounted for and none were involved in the encounter.The visual, ballistic, physical evidence combined with the witnesses, loose ends, etc screams mulitple shoots, aka a conspiracy.There are many loose ends, too many, where there is smoke, there is fire.

Blood spatter can not lie.
The stuff flies out of the forwards part of the skull.
Remind me never to have you as my Liar (I mean Lawyer).

Insult me all you want, shows you have doubts, resorting to that.Blood spatter can lie, there are cases where it has been "misinterpreted" by the so called "experts" , lead to wrong conclusions. The Zapruder film clearly shows the right side, sort of to the front, just behind the temple and back of his head blow out as he snaps back from the frontal impact.Doctor at Parkland Hospital said it looked like a bullet hit him from front, exited the side/rear of the skull, blowing it away. The so called "entrance wound" in the back of his head in some photos, there are claims these were altered to fit the story, I find it possible considering it conflicts with all other evidence.

Also, why did oswald not just shoot him when he was on Houston street when had a clear shot from front to the head? had a better shot there, they waited until Kennedy was in position where for triangulation of crossfire.This is like arguing with my father, we got into it yesterday about this, he believes in the lone nut, even with pretty clear evidence, refuses to accept kennedy was victim of a conspiracy because like many, just too hard to accept and since there is no one doing a cartwheel in the street saying I did it, I did it, they by default trust the government.Trusting the government by default is a dangerous thing, obamacare being a great recent example.

I have seen all the stuff you have.
I have also seen first hand, shots just like that.
81 meters to hit a head in a slow moveing Car?
I take shots like that with Air Rifles on running critters and drop them.
:haha:

It's also easier to shoot someone in the back of the head.
They ain't looking at you that way.
Unless you've done it? You'll never really understand that part of it.
It's the eyes that get you. They never go away.

It could have been a plot. Don't know the answer to that.
But the shots came from behind. That I have NO doubts about.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/headwnd.htm

Expert on ballistic forensics explains how his head can snap back from a bullet impact in the [B]back[B] of his head, a bullet fired by Oswald. Some interesting testimony on how bodies can act when shot.

Then the autopsy picture of the back of Kennedy's head doesn't show it blown out. Only the entry wound.

First of all I'm not any kind of expert on ballistics forensiscs

I have seen a couple of documentary in which such an expert says this and in an another says so

So who's right???

Markus

It's already been shown that many of those witnesses also told tall tales about other things, and many more of them disagree on different points, yet you keep repeating that same vague charge over and over, without ever showing the actual testimony.

And there were several agents of different kinds in the area, including military intelligence. While most of them have been discounted as the mysterious 'SS' agent, why did not one of them notice anyone shooting from a position very close to theirs?

So you keep saying, but every single point you've tried to make can be shown to have other explanations, equally valid if not more so.

It shows that he's grown tired of hearing the same claims over and over, and willful ignorance of other equal explanations. I wouldn't be surprised if he has doubts. I have doubts. It's been my long experience that it is the person who has no doubts who is usually wrong.

As far as insults go, you insult anyone who argues against you several times with your "lol"s and similar snide comments. The only difference is you manage to make it general, so everybody deserves laughing at in your book, not just one person. You also do this on a regular basis, in pretty much every political post you make.

It does show his head snap backward. It has been explained many times that it is a possible reaction for a body part to move in the direction from which it was hit. The film shows spray flying forward, and in no other direction. It does not show the temple or back of the head blown out.

One thing the photo is clear about: the back of his head is intact; there is no "blowing out". That is all on the right side. You have changed your story on this several times, and yet managed to not address anything anyone has said.

Perhaps because, as someone pointed out earlier, he was eating lunch and barely made it back in time.

That's pretty damned insulting to your father. Is he immune because he's not a Subsim member?

"cartwheel in the street"? There's no direct evidence at all. Everything you claim is built on everything else you claim. I've said many times that if you can provide one piece of evidence that stands alone, with no "ifs" or "maybes" then I'll listen. But so far you haven't.

So now you presume to lecture everybody? And again you can't leave your pet hate out of it.

I'll wager that there is not one person here who trusts their government at all, let alone "by default". You keep trying to lump a group of intelligent, thoughtful and resourceful people into a category of "trusting", when we've shown you otherwise many times. Anyone who does not agree with you or shows you to be wrong is blindly trusting the government.

And you talk about other people insulting you.

We don't know. It could be either. I just grew tired decades ago of being told I have to believe one or the other with no concrete proof either way, or else I'm a stupid person who is a sucker for the official party line.

You see, the people here aren't trying to prove that Bubblehead is wrong for looking at that possibility, just that he's wrong for accepting blindly and then claiming that his "detractors" are doing the same and insisting that we're all dupes.

And as predicted you resort to saying that the key evidence that disproves your theory was falsified or other wise altered. Have you read the autopsy reports? Seen the interviews of the doctors who examined the body? All state categorically that there was an entry wound in the back of his head and further that the large exit wound was chiefly parietal, ( above and forward of the right ear).

What did the parkland doctors really say?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/faceup.htm

What is strange is the different behaviour of the two rounds. One which can be traced back to Oswalds rifle went through two bodies pretty much in one piece. This is the way the ammunition Oswald was using was designed to behave. A military round for causing maximum damage to as many of the enemy as possible by passing through the target and hitting additional targets beyond.

The other behaved very differently with multiple small fragments being left inside the front of Kennedy's skull. This is consistent with the frangible round being used by the Secret Service. This type of ammunition is designed to take down the target and not cause collateral casualties because it was likely to be used in a crowded environment where collateral damage was undesirable.

The shots heard from the grassy knoll can be explained by the echoes of the shots from a behind. Dealy Plaza is surrounded by hard surfaces which do echo. There is also no physical evidence of a gun, round or entry wound consistent with a frontal shot. As you've admitted the Zapruder film is inconclusive on the frontal shot but quite consistent with the two known rear shots that hit the president.

The last part of your post is incomprehensible. Obama care has nothing to do with something that happened 50 years ago.

you are right in every word.

QFT.

A little 'habit' many Combat Troopers had?
Hold on to a few live rounds and 'mod' them into frangible rounds.
The first rounds of standard ammo are your rangeing and POI rounds.
Then you send the 'modded' round for maximum damage to the intended target.

Oswald never had a chance to say anything so it makes as much sense as anything else I've read.

I used to be one of the people duped by the official line, I don't accept anything blindly.Just angers me to see so many willing to trust an entity(the government) that is not at all trustworthy.Citizens who hold faith in government remind me of an abused woman who stays with her abuser no matter what, and supports him no matter what.

The disinformation campaign has worked to a degree, it has muddied the waters enough t have 40% of american people believing the official story.Like Kevin costner said in JFK(as Jim Garrison) , government claims can prove the magic bullet etc with fancy physics.True, but theoretical physics can prove that an elephant can hang off a cliff with it's tail tied to a daisy. Used your own judgement and some common sense.The Zapruder film is what pushed me away from believing the official story, as it did many American's after the saw it, which is a reason it was kept from the public for so long.

The disinformation campaign to discredit people was wide ranging, much as is done today if someone stands up.Snowden is a great example, did a patriotic thing but the government and many in the media(on the government's take) tried to portray him as a traitor, most American's did not see him as that, but far too many do.This is how in this era they manage to make the good guys seem like the bad guys, they know there are a large part of the population who trust the officials, blindly in many cases.How people can watch that film and not see what 60% of americans see, I have no idea.

I trust my own judgement, based on what I see, the evidence there is, and the words of those who were there, and common sense.Usually when people have something to hide, they make things complicated and muddy the waters, hoping the truth gets lost in there.Age old tactic of the government, they have done it many times, most recent with obamacare.

Cool story bro... :shifty:

Yet you are absolutely 100% convinced that there was a conspiracy. You have abandoned all impartiality, and can't discuss this rationally at all, and you can't examine or entertain the slightest possibility that you might be wrong. That is not true for me or for most of the people you're arguing with here.

That may apply to a large portion of the population, and even to some of the people you talk to in your life. Are you saying it applies to the majority here? Are you saying it applies to me? Are you saying that not one of the people disagreeing with you here is capable of making his own observations? If not, then you need to look at all the options and discuss things less passionately and more rationally. If so, then you need to apologize to people for saying they insulted you, for if you see us that way then you insult a large number of individuals by lumping us together as a group; a group which you say is blindly following the government, which is patently not true.

We're not talking about 40% of the American people. We're talking about Tarjak, August, Privateer, Steelhead, Dread Knot, Bilge Rat, Vienna, and Myself. Are you saying we (at least the Americans on that list) are all dupes blindly following the Government Line? If so, then you insult us. If not, then quit talking about people who mean nothing to any of us and stick with the point.

I've already shown you that it only takes a slight change in their positions and suddenly your "magic bullet" is travelling in a straight line. You didn't answer then, and I'm wondering if you'll ever take that bit of evidence and show that it's wrong. I have consistently addressed each of your points and shown that there are other possible answers, and reasonable ones. You have consistently avoided answering those points and gone right back to your derisive generic dismissals of anything that doesn't fit your personal take on the subject.

Which is a nice diversion into the derisive dismissal I just mentioned. Are you capable of having a reasonable discussion without resorting to insult? The physics here aren't theoretical at all. The bullet was not magic, and no one but the conspiracy theorists are claiming it was. Just look again at the picture I posted.

Are you saying I'm not? Again, don't be accusing anyone else of insulting you when you resort to demeaning tactics like that. I say I've been using my own judgement all along. I don't believe the government, and I don't believe you. I don't know the answers, but you have failed time and again to prove your case. Tell me again why I should listen to you?

The Zapruder film was released almost immediately. What was withheld were the few crucial frames. The reason is most likely that they were considered far too graphic for public consumption.

I've read most of the testimony. A great many of those witnesses deserve to be discredited. Some do not, but many of their statements disagree with the others.

Would you please stop wandering into other, off-topic discussions? You're trying to prove by example, and you're not doing a very good job of it. Stick to the real points.

And yet several people here have watched the film repeatedly over the last few days, and come to completely different conclusions than you have. How do you know you're not the one who is mistaken? Appealing to "60% of Americans" is appealing to the authority of the majority. The majority is often wrong, and saying that the majority is right or the minority is right is not a point at all. Opinion means nothing, only facts. You like to take that line of argument far too much.

As do I. The difference is that you firmly believe that your judgement is the correct one and anyone who disagrees must be a dupe of the authorities, or just plain stupid. My point, as I've tried to tell you many times, is that you don't "know" any more than I do. You believe you do know, to the point of absolute insistence, and anyone who doesn't agree with you needs to be dismissed and insulted. You don't listen to anyone else's points, especially mine, and you come back again and again with the same claims, many of which have been shown to be explainable in a different context. You don't seem to care about getting at the truth, you are convinced you already have it. As I've said before, if you think you know anything you have removed all possibility of learning anything new. If you "know" you are right, you remove all possibility of ever finding out that you might be wrong.

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

And again you try to prove one thing by bringing up another. It proves nothing, and it makes you look desperate.

Desperate for attention IMO. It borders on trolling, stating the same old thing whilst refusing to consider any arguments to the contrary.

I don't hold either is true, but I find a hard time believing Oswald acted alone.

One thing, for a man about to kill the President, seemed he hardly thought out his escape plan.

What I find amazing is the shot. A person would have to be nervous, his life is at stake in a place he would be lucky to escape from. That was some amazing shooting under the circumstances. Possible yes, probable...no.

Was he shot in the throat from the front, possible from the autopsy reports. Then the headshot...

Dr. Charles Crenshaw, surgeon at Parkland Hospital: The headwound was difficult to see when he was laying on the back of his head. However, afterwards when they moved his face towards the left, one could see the large, right rear parietal, occipital, blasted out hole, the size of my fist, which is 2 and a half inches in diameter. The brain, cerebreal portion had been flurred out and also there was the cerebrellum hanging out from that wound. It was clearly an exit wound from the right rear, behind the ear. A right occipital area hole, the size of my fist.""

The thing that is bothersome is too many strange factors, including the number of witnesses that died within the first 3 years. Different Drs. with different opinions....

We may never know, because it was done so it would always be a conspiracy.

I can't say who is to blame, but I don't believe Oswald was alone in this. However, I don't think it's a large govt. plan if one at all.