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Skybird 08-19-14 05:02 AM

GERMAN LANGUAGE

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/a...ind-wurde.html

Ansgar Graw, correspondent for German newspaper Die Welt, was arrested and held prison for three hours because he did his job. In this GERMAN editorial he describes how he arrived in Ferguson, first had good experiences with the helpful police, noticed how very different both side'S description of the events at night are, and then got hazed and finally arrested over essentially nothing else than doing his job.

Graw put it in clear words in a nightblog message in the same paper, saying that there was clear intent by the police to prevent any further reporting. Several other journalists got arrested even when reporting from currently peaceful scenes where only traces of past violence were to be seen.

Assessing the claimed reason for Graw's arrest - he was told that they would not limit the right of free speech but that he would not be allowed to stand still when shooting pics, but needs to constantly walking (making photographing somewhat difficult and low-quality), and when he did and shot poics and ,moved and moved, tge nevertheless got arrested - I think there are questions to be asked that lead beyond the issue of racism and police toughness (lets face it, internationally the reputation of the US police is not really the best, to put it this way: too easy to shoot, and too easy to tazer, and too many incidents of excessive use of firearms as well as racism time and again).

Needless to say that Graw says his trust into the police with which he has grown up in the US from childhood on, has been destroyed.

Oberon 08-19-14 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio French
That moment when "the right to peacefully assemble" meets "failure to disperse". #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/jAraUgC228


I also found this on tumblr, it is perhaps a little conspiratorial, but to be honest with some of the things I've seen and heard coming out of Ferguson it would not entirely surprise me. :nope:

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“You realize that everything the police are doing in Ferguson is carefully calculated, right? They’re purposely turning peaceful protests into riots. They’re purposely committing violence to incite violence. From saying ‘We won’t be answering 911 calls,’ which is a very clever way to set themselves up to be able to say, ‘We were afraid for our safety - any call could really be an ambush, our lives were in danger’ right down to the camouflage and the military tanks and wearing more body armor than a soldier in a war zone. Its exactly why they’re going for a media blackout - yet allowing certain photos through - they WANT you to see their tanks. They want you to see their riot gear. They WANT you to see a war-zone. They’re trying to sell the world the idea that this community is inherently and constantly a source of violence and turmoil - they want you to think that they [the police] are being attacked daily in a place so vicious they need full body armor. You know why? Because then, at the end of the day, you might just be able to believe the story they’re going to spin. They’re going to tell you that this (white) officer goes to work in this war zone every day - that he spends every working moment in constant fear for his life. They’re going to tell you that Michael Brown attacked this officer. And then they’re going to bring up everything that has happened in the aftermath and try to use it to convince you that he shot that little boy because he was afraid for his life. They’re setting up a defense. You mark my words, they’re trying to set up a defense.”


Wolferz 08-19-14 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2234654)
I also found this on tumblr, it is perhaps a little conspiratorial, but to be honest with some of the things I've seen and heard coming out of Ferguson it would not entirely surprise me. :nope:




Media blitzkrieg is the preferred method for pulling wool these days. They'll do or say anything to exonerate a murderous cop.:-?

If they're such scared wittle wabbits, maybe they should find another line of work.

Skybird 08-19-14 07:04 AM

More bad news, another German jounalist, this time from German tabloid "Bild", has been arrested as well , and since then is unable to be found, his personal data however already are shown within the data network of a federal prison, so it seems he is to be shuttled in for a longer stay in the US justice system. :-?

Multiple US and other international journalists have been caught off the street as well. The intention to suppress independent reporting of what is going on in Ferguson apparently can no longer be denied. US reporters and itnernatiuonal journalist associations speak of another frontal assault on the free press in the US.

Oberon 08-19-14 07:47 AM

Amnesty International (on their first mission in the US) also got guns pointed at them and told to move off. Journalists have been shot at with bean bags, threatened to be shot or maced and generally harassed by the police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7A0TJMAP5E

Jimbuna 08-19-14 07:58 AM

Turning into a right royal mess :nope:

Oberon 08-19-14 08:11 AM

That's somewhat of an understatement Jim. :03:

Meanwhile, there's been some doubt cast on the accusation of Michael Brown being a shoplifter, for starters the store has denied that any of its staff run the police, indicating that it was likely a customer who rung the police and reported what they thought was a robbery.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-...ance-released/

There's also an unconfirmed video circulating that seems to indicate that Brown paid for the cigars, even putting some back after he realised he didn't have enough money for all of them. However since the video is quite unconfirmed and only circulating on various disputable websites then I can't be certain of its veracity.
One thing that has definitely been shown in this mess is how on the back foot the mainstream media has been when compared to citizen reporting and information gathering. A handful of volunteers on a reddit feed have been able to gather more information, links and videos than any of the main US media outlets. Furthermore, they've been careful to filter out any left or right wing bias and precede any potential controversial links with a disclaimer rather than presenting it as a hard fact.
The likes of CNN and Fox could learn a thing or two from Reddit. :yep:

Catfish 08-19-14 11:34 AM

News said forensic study showed that Mr. Brown has been shot six times in the front, four in arms and body, two in the head. One of it from above.

Are they declaring war to themselves ? :nope:
It hurts to see that happening just of all in the US :shifty:

Armistead 08-19-14 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2234756)
News said forensic study showed that Mr. Brown has been shot six times in the front, four in arms and body, two in the head. One of it from above.

Are they declaring war to themselves ? :nope:
It hurts to see that happening just of all in the US :shifty:

Heck, think there were 30 murders in Chicago this past week or even weekend....this just has the media

and here we have another eyewittness with ...his version of the story. Basically that Mike got shot, got on his knees and gave up, cop came up and shot him several times basically point blank, Mike fell, cop shot him a few more times.

Be prepared for Mofo bout every other word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI

Reports, more confirm officers story....don't know how true or not, looks like more rumors.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/1693...es=og.comments

More, again true or not, don't know, officers eye orbit was fractured as Brown attacked him. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...th-mike-brown/

Wolferz 08-19-14 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2234778)
Heck, think there were 30 murders in Chicago this past week or even weekend....this just has the media

and here we have another eyewittness with ...his version of the story. Basically that Mike got shot, got on his knees and gave up, cop came up and shot him several times basically point blank, Mike fell, cop shot him a few more times.

Be prepared for Mofo bout every other word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI

Reports, more confirm officers story....don't know how true or not, looks like more rumors.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/1693...es=og.comments


From what I've read, the forensic pathologist the family called in to autopsy this kid found no gunshot residue on his person to indicate a point blank shot. YMMV But, the media is so busy tripping over themselves and the authorities are so busy with their brooms and rug, it's hard say exactly what happened with any certainty. Except, maybe jaywalking is now a crime that requires the use of deadly force.:-?

eddie 08-19-14 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2234680)
Turning into a right royal mess :nope:

Got that right Jim, and its the only thing on the news over here! Like has been said, more murders in Chicago, but no mass media coverage. Getting sick of hearing about Ferguson, its like its the only thing going on in the world ATM!!:nope:

Armistead 08-19-14 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie (Post 2234788)
Got that right Jim, and its the only thing on the news over here! Like has been said, more murders in Chicago, but no mass media coverage. Getting sick of hearing about Ferguson, its like its the only thing going on in the world ATM!!:nope:


It's all about money, media blows it up, the more ratings they get. The race baiters blow it up, more attention they get. The lawyers know what they're doing, it's all about a big payday.

Oberon 08-19-14 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2234783)
From what I've read, the forensic pathologist the family called in to autopsy this kid found no gunshot residue on his person to indicate a point blank shot. YMMV But, the media is so busy tripping over themselves and the authorities are so busy with their brooms and rug, it's hard say exactly what happened with any certainty. Except, maybe jaywalking is now a crime that requires the use of deadly force.:-?

I think the big problem was that the family pathologist only got the naked body, so he couldn't test the clothing for gunshot residue, which puts a bit of a limit on available data.

Meanwhile in St. Louis another man has been shot, and killed, although this one was wielding a knife at the time, it's been described by eye-witnesses as 'suicide by cop'. Now...call me old fashioned here but...does any American cop carry a taser? I can't help but think that using one of the pistol tasers that we have here in the UK might be a slightly better way of subduing a non-firearm armed threat. :hmmm:

Armistead 08-19-14 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2234794)
I think the big problem was that the family pathologist only got the naked body, so he couldn't test the clothing for gunshot residue, which puts a bit of a limit on available data.

Meanwhile in St. Louis another man has been shot, and killed, although this one was wielding a knife at the time, it's been described by eye-witnesses as 'suicide by cop'. Now...call me old fashioned here but...does any American cop carry a taser? I can't help but think that using one of the pistol tasers that we have here in the UK might be a slightly better way of subduing a non-firearm armed threat. :hmmm:

Cops may use tasers, but if someone is coming at them with a knife, they generally don't risk missing with a a taser. Now, if he was standing there with a knife, he would've gotten zapped....

Onkel Neal 08-19-14 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2234809)
Cops may use tasers, but if someone is coming at them with a knife, they generally don't risk missing with a a taser. Now, if he was standing there with a knife, he would've gotten zapped....

That's true. I guess it helps to put onesself in a cops shoes. If you have someone threatening you, do you wait until it is possibly too late to keep yourself safe before using force? Is that going to be part of the job description for cops now? I know I sure wouldn't go for that. I do not want to let a 6'4" young man get his hands on me in anger. Or someone with a knife attacking me, I have to trust in a taser. Screw that :huh: "Put your hands behind your head and get on the ground". That's all a cop has to say to me, I just do it. If people would simply comply with the officer, it would eliminate 99% of this. Why does a cop have to take a blow or a cut before he can do his job? Can you imagine if waiters or car mechanics had to deal with people threatening them to do their job?

I do agree with the comments made by several about the dangers of an over militarized police force. That has to stop. If the danger of rioters and looters warrants that kind of force, bring in the National Guard.


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