only me ,H.sie and Rubini knows the hours and tests and thoughts -changing 'routes'(you all see just the result) that was spent on this mod !
we ,also, 'discovered' some hidden and really 'crazy' features in sh's engine that maybe will mod some day me or H.sie or Rubini if find the will

thank you John , it is nice to 'see' that some people (you know that becuase you are moding) realize the ...'background'

end of ...story

I am a user of hardcode h'sie and i must agree that all of you have taken SH3 to a new level no matter if someone doesnt like it just dont use it and let all people like me that loves those amazing mods use them.

Thanks for your great job

"Ages ago". And yet you never registered here at subsim.

And now you're "advising" people you supposedly don't even know?

Interesting.

From captain logs of U-575

http://www.u575.de/1Feindfahrt.html

Dark night without moon.
Visible contact to destroyer in 4000m distance.
Shot torpedo at merchant in 3000m distance.

(So visible range is definitely > 4000m)


http://www.u575.de/3Feindfahrt.html

Good visibility, about 7sm, bright moon night.

EDIT: I made a mistake here. It seems he always gives distances in meters and speeds in sm.
So the value 7sm must be a speed, either of own or enemy.??


http://www.u575.de/8Feindfahrt.html

Very bad visibility at night: 200-500m

@Hitman

I guess I touched a nerve here, sorry to bring you into this.

I don't believe my first post was offensive and was intended to give some supporting "facts" for 'Noisy_Buoy', and as I said at the start of it, it was for other people to ponder, especially about the Night Vision Binoculars.

Nor was the second one to h.sie, in which I apologized for possibly unintentionally offending him.

My third one to 'Graf Paper' I will wholeheartedly admit was agressive. His highhanded use of assumptions over facts in his response to my first post, which he so obviously did not read, really offended me. I can not tell you how much of an insult I consider that to be.

On a day with good visibility I am sure they could see masts over the horizon when using binoculars. If you note in my first post in this thread, the horizon for a U-Boat watchman is about 8 kilometers (5 miles). That is not very far, how far over the horizon, I can't say, it would depend on how much of the mast can be seen and other factors, but it is certainly not 31 kilometers from the bridge of a U-Boat.

@makman94

Sorry, I did not see that you were from Crete.

I was not calling you a 'boy', in the English language using 'boy' at the start of a sentence is commonly used as a way of adding emphasis to the whole sentence. It is like saying Gosh, Wow, My God, or Damn, or a host of others. I guess I should have used one of them...it was not intended to be an insult.

Those articles that you seem to be dismissing as not 'expert' are documents from the Operations Evaluation Group Report No. 51 of the Office of the Chief of Naval Operations of the United States Navy. Are you telling me that you are more 'expert' than them?

"Apples and Oranges" is a shortened version of the English phrase "It is like comparing apples and oranges", both are fruit but which one tastes better, and where the answer is "it does not matter". I guess you are not familiar with the phrase. My apologies again.

So, by your reasoning, I should be able to see the Empire State Building from 50 miles away (you can) and with the naked eye be able to count the windows as well (you can't). There are things like atmospheric turbulence and human eye resolution that you have ignored, and the wikipedia article does too.

I am not going to talk about the mod. Nor do I wish to make any suggestions.

If they were using nautical miles they would have said 'nautical miles' and their diagrams would be using the abbreviation NM instead of MI, so I think you should check one more time.

I see, others can post assumptions regarding the mod, but I can't post facts that you can use in the mod.

Are you implying that my initial post here is not 'high level' and that I am an 'attacker'?

I'm through discussing this.

My own remarks and observations pertained to the general conversation and were not necessarily directed specifically at everything you had to say, Kafka. Context is at least as important as grammar. However, since you insist on coming at me like this...

(emphasis added).

That is the definition of a horizon.

Also, you say sky and land. I believe the discussion here concerns sky and sea.

Actually, it was you who failed to comprehend. I used the collective pronoun "them" in reference to the testimonies of crew serving aboard u-boats, which is plainly obvious by the active pronoun "they", as in "the persons who perfomed this action" in regards to the actual spotting of the mastheads in question.

Actually, one source for this figure comes from the direct statements of Lt. Robert Atkinson, DSC, RNR of K-137, H.M.S. Pink. I'd dare say that a commanding officer of a WWII Royal Navy corvette, serving as convoy escort, knows a few more things about ship's smoke and u-boat tactics. He ought to be ashamed of himself for misleading us all!

You prove nothing by this statement. Being a such a mechanic does not qualify you for anything other than to work on marine power trains. Additionally, in studying to be a marine engineer, it in no way follows that you actually became one or served aboard any ocean-going vessels. This is pure grand-standing on your part, meant to intimidate others into silence by the perception this somehow makes you an authority on the matter. All sources you have cited thus far also happen to be among the first twenty or so hits one finds when typing "u-boat visual range" into Google's search engine.

You may belittle my reasoning by labeling it as "pseudoscience" yet you use your photography hobby as the basis for your "expertise" on visual properties as applied to u-boat tactics. Taking pictures of sunsets does not give your arguments any additional weight over what others here have said.

And then you attempt to humiliate me further by calling my use of language "High-handed"? You read into it only what you wish. If you feel intimidated by complete sentences and florid words, like "diffraction", that should not be my problem. It is the way I speak when using the written word and I owe no man an apology for it.

I have been polite and even supported some of the points you made. Then you repay that by tearing into me? What I say next must be said.

Disagreement with you is not an attack on your character, but you seem to wish to respond as though it were. "Overly aggressive", indeed! The only two things you have managed to prove thus far is the boorishness of your behavior and the cunning to suck up to Hitman while you continue to dish out insults to the rest. He is no more blind than the rest of us.

You even succeeded in raising the anger of Makman, one of this mod's authors and someone I rarely have seen respond with anything other than civility. You top that dubious achievement by marginalizing h.sie and Rubini, as well. All three of them have made real, lasting contributions to this community and should be shown respect, if only for their generosity.

The intent behind this entire thread, as stated by the mod's authors, was to reveal some measure of accuracy from the aggregate of opinion and knowledge contributed by this community. Your combative stance stifles that. You are free to disagree with others, but there is no reason it cannot be done with polite discourse.

You may continue to draw insult where there is none, bully your way over others, and shout down those who contradict you. However, I would advise that you reconsider your undirected anger before you make yourself unpopular.

As a postscript, I apologize to everyone here for contributing to any further derailment of this thread. I feel it necessary to not only stand up for myself publicly in the face of this hooligan, but for h.sie, Rubini, Makman, and others I hold in high regard because they have always been gentlemen, even when I have not. Keep the colors flying! :salute:

I've had my say and promise, henceforth, to stay on topic.

These 'bad posts' started with the appearance of a 'Heulboje'.

It's behavior brings a certain inmate to my mind... :hmmm:

From U-977 by Heinz Schaeffer.

They spot a ship at 16-14 nm (26,6-25.9 km).
During night they spot it again at 4 nm (7,4 km)

Moon was visible and occasionally covered with intermittent clouds.

A couple of hours matey...a couple of hours.

Thanks mate by the info. It's clear that at night (even bright ones )the practical visual detection is much less than day. I will use 50% in my game when the fix is released. Is a very good compromisse IMHO.:up:

Yeah, we thought he might behave a bit more this time, but I guess some people never learn :88)

look above ,
bye

thank you very much Obltn Strand,
very usefull info ! :up:

Yep...looks like someone has saved me the bother :salute: