I already know :D..

Difficult to say...:doh:
This one:
1. → BitmapParticles → Material → TDW_FXU_PierreE
1.1 → ObjectParticles → Object → ALL
And this one:
3. → BitmapParticles → Material → TDW_FXU_NONE
3.1 → ObjectParticles → Object → ALL
...doesn't look bad...but i still like my stock one too! :-?

Fifi we don't do any changes yet.. all pics shows what already is..
And I still can't understand why your stock one works at all :hmmm:.. because it shouldn't.. for the stock torp explosion you had to return the stock files materials.dat and particles.dat.. but, as I remember correctly, you didn't do that :hmmm:..

You forget that the torpedo splash effect is specified in the torpedoe's .sim file :yep:

:o:haha:

Right. I just copy/past the stock effect ID in TDW file via S3D.

as I remember Fifi already changed his torpedoes.sim and returned stock settings..

If you are using FX Update then your particles.dat and materials.dat are not the stock ones..

EDIT: small mistake.. materials.dat is changed by DynEnv which you are using too..

Right again,i'm using FX torpedo.sim :hmmm:
But it's working! :)
EDIT: Ok for your edit! lol

So should i mention in first post, this turn around is working if using DE? :hmmm:

It shouldn't work at all.. because particles.dat which you are using is not contain required data.. particle generator of torpexplosiongreat in this file is blank.. maybe you did your changes in incorrect way.. maybe something else.. I don't know..

Let's see if I can throw some light on the whole matter, as I see that there is a bit of confusion:

- Wth Fx update, TDW has defined new torpedo splash particles and materials, and has assigned them new effect to existing torpedoes through the splash property of their amun_torpedo controllers. Stock torpedo splash materials and particles, respectively located in materials.dat and particles.dat are unchanged by Fx Updates, but simply they are not used by the mod.

- Fifi has just switched back amun_torpedo to use the stock effect. His changes are compatible with Fx Updates exactly because TDW's mod don't remove the old settings: is simply "bypass" them.

- Dynamic Environment changes material.dat. Don't ask me what exactly :D. Anyway I am sure that torpedo splash materials used by the stock effect are not removed by DynEnv, so Fifi's tweaks are 100% compatible with both Fx Updates and DynEnv :yep:


@ Volodya

I have been looking into the results of all your tests. Thanks for going to all the trouble of doing them. Because we can draw a conclusion I need for some more information though:

1. What is exactly the difference between the first, the second, and the third set of experiments? As I understand it, you have changed BitmapParticle's material. Is this correct? If so, can I assume that the following row means a blank material (a texture with a black alpha channel)?
   
   
   Quote:

   3. → BitmapParticles → Material → TDW_FXU_NONE

2. How have you disabled the ObjectParticles? Have you set their opacity setting to 0, as I had suggested yesterday or what else?
   
   
3. can you take a couple of screenshots with only the BitmapParticle active (all of the ObjectParticles disabled)?

:salute:

I'm not sure that particles.dat of FXU has stock settings in torpexplosiongreate controller and wasn't changed by FXU.. :06: :hmmm:

I'm sorry.. it was a mistake.. it had to look like this -
Here you can see how I did it -

http://s19.postimg.org/g2mlqcw73/pierre_E.jpg . http://s19.postimg.org/m4u8gukn3/pierre_E2.jpg . http://s19.postimg.org/d79ijhs73/NONE.jpg

No, I didn't set their Opacity to 0.. I disabled them this way -

http://s19.postimg.org/3qjpcv8cf/dis...particulas.jpg

Okay.. here they are -

1. → BitmapParticles → Material → TDW_FXU_PierreE
1.6 → ObjectParticles → Object → ALL Objects/Particulas were disabled (NONE)

http://s19.postimg.org/5ddibu9rz/1_6_1.jpg . http://s19.postimg.org/mrxqk46wv/1_6_2.jpg

2. → BitmapParticles → Material → TDW_FXU_PierreE2
2.6 → ObjectParticles → Object → ALL Objects/Particulas were disabled (NONE)

the same as 1.

3. → BitmapParticles → Material → NONE
3.6 → ObjectParticles → Object → ALL Objects/Particulas were disabled (NONE)

the same as 1.

Honestly I didn't bother comparing Fx Update's particles.dat with the vanilla one. Anyway I don't see why TDW should have modified torpedo splash fx contained in particles.dat, since FXU got its own version of the effect, located in the custom files that you are currently experimenting with... :hmm2:

Okay, I guess that setting their material/object to "none" is the same as setting opacity to 0, and your screenies seem to confirm it :up:


Okay, seems that bitmap particles have very little effect, and we shouldn't bother messing with their settings. This leaves us with the four object particles to work with. I am going now to see how their settings changed from stock to FXU version :up:

Okay, this is the list of changes between the two version of torp_great_explosion, i.e. particles.dat version (used by stock game and retrieved by Fifi) vs. TDW_FXU_Torp_Explosion_Particles:

Only chenged settings listed above.

Surprisingly, most of the changes concern the settings of the one BitmapParticle (TDW_FXU_PierreE). ObjectParticle settings (using TDW_FXU_Particula01 to 04) are almost identical.

Time to have a look into material settings now :salute:

PS: based on the settings I have seen so far, I can't figure out what makes torpedo splashes to open up as a fan yet :hmmm:

And TDW says nothing :shifty: :)

OK, I will try to duplicate stock settings in the TDW's files.. a lot changes to HEX-editor :-?..

:hmmm:

wait... if you duplicate ALL of the stock settings in TDW's files, we will end with stock storpedo splash effects... Is that really what we want? :03:

I think we should rather compare the two sets of settings, understand them, and create some new settings. I am already fairly familiar with most of the parameters of SH particles generators, and I think that with a bit of help by TDW himself, we will can achieve a better effect than the ones we have already available :up:

I just wanted to duplicate stock settings to see - the same effect will be in the TDW's files or not :hmmm:

EDIT: anyway, I can test gun or two in our Reworked Guns while waiting new good thoughts :up:

:yeah: