I don't disagree that some people take the issue of "free speech" too far, but I don't find this at all to be a racially motivated phenomenom. None of this kind of behavior is new and exclusive to the Obama administration - was saw plenty of it under Bush.I agree with that, but in the case of healthcare (the issue that's mostly inciting people) liberals are bringing it upon themselves due to their inconsistant accountability towards eduction.

For instance, when conservatives say that the house healthcare bill will lead to things such as death panels, illegal immigrants being covered, a singlepayer system, etc., they are ridiculed as not knowing what they are talking about. When liberals celebrate the same system due to the possibility that it is a step towards single payer (which REQUIRES rationing), they get a wink.

God, you're such an arrogant and cynical S.O.B. I'm glad you're not in politics.
One poster here recently classified you as a pragmatic nationalist. In your answer, you took great exception to the "nationalist" part (of course) but accepted "pragmatic". Here's some news for you:

1. You can't tell other people what to think of you. It doesn't work like that.
2. He was only wrong on the "pragmatic" part instead. "Cynical" would be more fitting.

Politics aside, racism, does indeed exist at many levels in America, and is a lot more prevalent then most people would like to believe. Just because you don't see it or encounter it in your daily life, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've had friends effected by racism, i've encountered it in direct relation to my own person (i'm a mutt and proud of it :rotfl2:), ive seen blatant racism from people ive known, and i'm guilty of it myself when it comes to illegal aliens. Anyone who claims racism isn't alive and well in our country is in a state of denial.

I do not argue that racisisim exisists I see it quite often.

I do not agree that the average person attending these rallys or express disapproval of the current administration are racially motivated.

Nor do I belive Wilson's outburst was motivated by racisisim. I agree it was out of line but personally I would have had a hard time not having an outburst. I mean after all the president looks straight into the camera and lies.

Now they drag Carter into the mix and make an effin circus out of the thing with Pelosi in tears for god's sake. :doh:

Can we not get back to the issue at hand which up untill just recently had NOT been race.

I dont completely agree with this. Indeed, there is racism, but it's not more prevalent than people believe - in fact, I believe the opposite to be true. Just look at this week's events. People were so busy TRYING to find racism that the actual issues were swept aside in many regards.

The bottom line is, sure, there is racism, and its a phenomenom not attached to any particular cultural group. But, the actionable symptoms of racism are no where NEAR as prevalent as they used to be.

And that's what matters.

This

Only because being openly racist is as unpolitically correct as you can get in todays society. To be openly racist, would discredit everything one would have to say. However, gagging the opinion, doesn't make the opinion go away. I have lots of stories about seeing racism in places and ways i didn't expect to see it, but i don't expect relating those experiences is going to sway any opinion on this matter. ( that said, I know more then a few people who voted for McCain, PURELY for the reason that they didn't want to see a N****** in the Whitehouse..)

The main reason i respond to this thread at all, is this dismissive attitude to racism by some posts in this thread, which strikes me as unrealistic. Now I'm not saying every political opponent, or any sizeable percentage thereof to the Obama administration is racially motivated, but i am saying racial bigotry in the US is more common then most people think, or would like to acknowledge.

And I know more than a few people who voted for Obama precisely because he was black. Which is the more racist?

Mud Slinging and Muddying the Waters are Political tools.

Calling someone a big dumda** White Cracker just doesn't make the press. :haha:

>>And I know more than a few people who voted for Obama precisely because he was black. Which is the more racist?

Racism isn't, nor ever, has been confined to just one ethnic group of people. It's in many places, and more common then most think. Thanks for illustrating my point. ;)

But there's a huge difference between how people think and what people do. Actionable racism is in decline. Perhaps people THINK certain ways, but we've become accustomed to calling damned near everything racist.

I would have to agree here. Actionable racism is declining perhaps. That one we would have to look at hate crims % from city to city. Bare in mind it happens both way thought. You are correct, some will twist anything into making it look like racism. 'You lie=racism' See how easy that was?

The question is when did Jimmy become senile, before or after his presidency?

Jimmy Carter walks back racism charge With video

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27808.html

I think it was during if I recall.

Yea heard about his backpeddeling doesent supprise me. I think he was expecting more 'support' in his views.

Imagine that :88) Just another growing phenomenon eh Skybird?

Trying to score by tricks again? Carter did not link his racism remark to the "You lie-incident" in the way it is misquoted since then. In fact Carter said that part of the general attacks on Obama and the allout opposition to him is based on racism.

That'S how I recall it very precisely. That's what the BBC-article quoted him with.

And even propaganda..com had to hide in its text that that is what Carter said:

To characterise Carter correcting the magazine misquoting him as "Carter backing away from former staztements he gave in reply to Wilson", is simply - a lie, in the end. If they write that "Carter touched off a firestorm three weeks ago when he said Rep. Joe Wilson’s (R-S.C.) “You Lie!” outburst was “based on racism” ", then this is simply not true this way, and is an example of extremely bad and biased, distorting propaganda-journalism that FOX and other Republican sources are very happy with if only it serves their interests.

There is no doubt that Carter did not reply in explicit reaction to the you-lie-incident. but possible that interested rightwinged amrican media and sources try to make it appear as that. Lovely. And so honest.

Ive heard the audio and Jimmay said something about 'vast majority being racilay motivated' now he recants.

Nah no trickery here Jimmay stepped in it it just took him a couple of weeks to realize it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA4W7...eature=channel

Two videos

Wednesday, 16 September 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258011.stm

10/1/09 2:30 PM EDT

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27808.html

What did he say in video #1? "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president"

In video #2 he claims to mean what he said in video #1

A personal, some crazy 'p' word, attack he is just trying to lie his way out of his senility. Sorry not buying it.

He called everyone who disagrees with Obama a racist.

I sometimes wonder if you guys can really master your own English languge.

If you do not believe it, see it here, in full, live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf-goMaQGN8

If one googles, many sources claim that he gave parts of that comment in direct reply to questions about what he think about that you-Lie-Incident. That way they want to construct a situation that Carter is claimed to have said Wilson is a racist.

But get it in your heads, guys: that simple did not happen.

But the propaganda effort is directed against one of your most favourite hate-figures, Carter. And that is the only reason why you applaud it. If there is anything you want to point out as questionable in Carter's else remarkably reasonable and sensible remarks, then that he says that bullying an opponent in a debate by putting things into his mouth and claiming lies about him like him wanting to establish death squads, is "okay". It is not, and it is no practicing of free speech, but practicing free lying. It is perverting free speech by turning it into a tool of destroying speech alltogether. Because you cannot have a reasonable debate wioth soembody who thinks it is legitimate for him to lie and to bully if it helps him to win over his opponent. That simply is shabby behavior and a level of hostility that turns the debate not into something constructive, but into destruction. Talking to such a person is pointless, simply.

Which this forum often has given evidence of, too. I can sing an endless song about having been misquoted, quoted ouzt of cointext, things put in my mouth, and that way making claims about what I should have said and meant that as a matter of fact I never have said.

This status of things into which political culture in the US and it's media has degenerated over the recent years, is the reason why the US society is so very much and very fanatically polarised.

I googled many pages and blogs and newspaper on this issue, and I found that almost all of them made wrong links between what was asked, what Carter did adress, and what he actually said. It was scaring becasue it shows that the media, despite the vital critical role it should play in a democratic order, is totally and completely failing it's responsibility. And this is utmost worrying.

Forgive me if I point out that the first argument was that folks who disagreed with Mr. Obama because of racism and Jimmy was just pointing that out. Now the argument is that Jimmy didn't call disagreement racism and so where does the supposition now stand? Racism or not? If not why the disagreement. If so then Jimmy is not a good spokesman against racism, because he just recinded his own words.