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OneToughHerring 08-24-09 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Thomen (Post 1157736)
Fixed for you.

I never said that torture is ok, you are, once again misinterpreting and misrepresenting things. In fact, it was you, who said that other countries procedures do not count, therefore, it is you (once again) who supports or ingnores torture in other countries, as long as you can blame the US.

Oh and just for kicks and giggles.. Since you are so adamant that Americans are fat or living here also makes you fat, you are aware that there are, percentage wise, more obese people in Finland than there are in the USA or most other European countries?

But I have to admit, reading your weird and twisted reasonings make an interesting read for rainy gloomy days of boredom and are a nice distraction from most of the other political threads that end in a partisan slug fest. :haha:
Nope. You are agreeing with the notion that it's ok for US to torture if other nations do it as well. I wonder if this logic includes or excludes the many South American nations where the US 'imported' torture through the School of Americas? The extraordinary renditions have also transported people to be tortured to places like Syria. Does this make it ok for US to use torture?

Nope, the US is the fattest nation in the world.

Thomen 08-24-09 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157743)
Nope. You are agreeing with the notion that it's ok for US to torture if other nations do it as well. I wonder if this logic includes or excludes the many South American nations where the US 'imported' torture through the School of Americas?

Nope, the US is the fattest nation in the world.
Where did I say that I agree that it is ok, if other nations do it?

Once again, you make assumptions without any solid facts to back you up.

And nope, they aren't the fattest.. atleast the Finns are fatter, according to a study done by an institute in Finnland ;)

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Thomen (Post 1157747)
Where did I say that I agree that it is ok, if other nations do it?

Once again, you make assumptions without any solid facts to back you up.

And nope, they aren't the fattest.. atleast the Finns are fatter, according to a study done by an institute in Finnland ;)
Well why is torture ok then?

According to an American study the Americans are fattest. And according to a German study...oh, wait you're not German.

Thomen 08-24-09 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157749)
Well why is torture ok then?

According to an American study the Americans are fattest. And according to a German study...oh, wait you're not German.

Once again, you are trying to deflect from the issue. Where did I say that torture is ok? Please point it out.

So, who are the obese people then? Once again you are being very selective in what you want to see or understand.

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Thomen (Post 1157751)
Once again, you are trying to deflect from the issue. Where did I say that torture is ok? Please point it out.

So, who are the obese people then? Once again you are being very selective in what you want to see or understand.
The subject of this thread is torture by the US. Stick to the topic.

Thomen 08-24-09 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157755)
The subject of this thread is torture by the US. Stick to the topic.
That is all you got?
I am on topic. Where did I say the stuff you accuse me off?

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Thomen (Post 1157761)
That is all you got?
I am on topic. Where did I say the stuff you accuse me off?
Well then clarify your point instead of endless dribble,

Edit. Well I'd consider flooding a thread with useless off-topic messages to be worse then 'fatty', but that's just me.

Thomen 08-24-09 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157762)
Well then clarify your point instead of endless dribble, fatty.
Ahh.. so you got nothing left and now you are down to name calling? How apropo.

Being 6ft 2 and 180lbs makes me truly an obese person, I 'spose.

Can you point out the things you accuse me off, or not? ;)

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 10:46 AM
So you're not in favour of torture? Good. I'll make a change to the list.

In favour of torture:
Aramike
CastleBravo
CaptainHaplo
Skybird

Against torture:
OTH
Letum
Max2147
Thomen

All you had to was ask but I guess that was too difficult, eh?

Tribesman 08-24-09 11:23 AM
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Nope, the US is the fattest nation in the world.
What absolute drivel, there are several pacific nations who are proud of their record in being the fattest nations in the world.
But hey how about the latest EU report into Lard

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In parts of Europe the combination of reported overweight and obesity in men exceeds even the 67% prevalence
found in the USA’s most recent measured survey. Finland, Germany, Greece, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Slovakia
and Malta all have overweight rates which surpass that of the USA.
Oh look its finland :rotfl:

Isn't it sad that in such a simple case as putting up a viable position against torture you are simply unable to make a coherent arguement Herring , instead you just go off on an "It's America" rant again.

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1157816)
What absolute drivel, there are several pacific nations who are proud of their record in being the fattest nations in the world.
But hey how about the latest EU report into Lard


Oh look its finland :rotfl:

Isn't it sad that in such a simple case as putting up a viable position against torture you are simply unable to make a coherent arguement Herring , instead you just go off on an "It's America" rant again.
Well you're free to attack Finland if you feel like it. Freedom, it's a nice thing, innit?

August 08-24-09 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157824)
Well you're free to attack Finland if you feel like it. Freedom, it's a nice thing, innit?
Maybe he has too much class to attack an entire nation just because he's irritated with a single individual.

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by August (Post 1157829)
Maybe he has too much class to attack an entire nation just because he's irritated with a single individual.
Yet he attacks the entire nation instead of me. :doh:

In a feeble attempt to bring this thread back on topic, take a look at that list I posted. It tells you clearly that there are people, mostly Americans, who are in favour of torture. Some people, mostly Europeans, are against torture. I think that's the whole point. Some people agree with the use of torture and some don't.

Aramike 08-24-09 12:32 PM
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It could, but it would be taking appeal to authority a bit far to claim that
the CIA are in an utterly unique position.
It would be except for the fact that they are.
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The issue of torture is certainly too complex, but the "if it didn't work it
wouldn't be used." argument is not.
Clearly, if taken by itself (which I specifically said in the last post). Yet when considered along with other axiomatic factors the argument becomes complex and your formula becomes useless in describing it.
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All that aside, I'm not sure that anyone who says the CIA is wrong has to
give a reason why they would make the mistake. The burden of proof isn't
on them to do so.
Anyone making a claim has a burden of proof. This isn't a negative claim of "no it doesn't happen" and therefore is unprovable. We know that something happens and that there is a verifiable result.

Your burden of proof argument (which you really should leave at the metaphysical door, by the way) doesn't apply in instances of measurable results. That would be like me saying that water doesn't freeze at 32F and putting the burden of proof on you to show that water DOES indeed freeze at 32F.

Aramike 08-24-09 12:34 PM
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In a feeble attempt to bring this thread back on topic, take a look at that list I posted. It tells you clearly that there are people, mostly Americans, who are in favour of torture. Some people, mostly Europeans, are against torture. I think that's the whole point. Some people agree with the use of torture and some don't.
Thank you, Admiral Obvious!

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1157858)
Thank you, Admiral Obvious!
It may be obvious to you but I'm sure to a lot of Finns it isn't. And now with the US being the 'special ally' of Finland it's increasingly important that Finns know how Americans feel about these kinds of things.

SteamWake 08-24-09 12:56 PM
Dont fret Barry has it under control

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...rogation-unit/

Aramike 08-24-09 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157860)
It may be obvious to you but I'm sure to a lot of Finns it isn't. And now with the US being the 'special ally' of Finland it's increasingly important that Finns know how Americans feel about these kinds of things.
Well, you go right on educating them. :yawn:

Somehow I have a feeling that there's a diversity of opinion on the matter there as well as everywhere else. And I'm pretty sure you don't represent Finland as a whole. :yep:

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1157876)
Well, you go right on educating them. :yawn:

Somehow I have a feeling that there's a diversity of opinion on the matter there as well as everywhere else. And I'm pretty sure you don't represent Finland as a whole. :yep:
Oh you mean that you are relying on finding people in Finland who would say yes to USA's right to use torture? I wouldn't bet too much on that one.

Aramike 08-24-09 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157881)
Oh you mean that you are relying on finding people in Finland who would say yes to USA's right to use torture? I wouldn't bet too much on that one.
I'm sure there are some. And I'm sure they are minority.

And, most of all, I'm sure most Americans just don't give a damn what the citizens of Finland think of us. :salute:


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