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THE_MASK 11-05-10 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by privateer (Post 1529559)
We internet 'bullied' him.
So he went sorlong.
:D

Thats woeful :O:

Sailor Steve 11-05-10 08:35 AM

And soroful. :dead:

Hartmann 11-05-10 04:01 PM

No chances

If ubi don´t release a single final patch, how can be expected a future Addon or Expansion ?

The bad thing is that probably SH V was developed for a future addons ( extra submarines and 1943-1945) but now we only have half game and unfinished

:hmmm:


The good side is that if it is one of the last submarine games in a lot of time, it will be modded and improved by the community and reach the level of ShIII with better graphics

Madox58 11-05-10 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1529774)
And soroful. :dead:

I just hope he didn't go away sor full of anger
that he's sory he ever sorndered in here.
Ah well....
Soronara Sorlimb.
I mean Sorlim.
:-?

robbo180265 11-06-10 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Budds (Post 1529356)
I dont post much........
But Issues like this and similar, I just gotta !

Be thankful the IP owner lets mods happen at all, let alone offers encouragement.
If taken Strictly, Most EULAs forbid the end user from modifying the product PERIOD !
And if you distribute mods...... Well the IP owner can make things bad for you.
I have watched a few VERY promising titles fade away because of Mod ban, or encryption of needed files.

Most Publishers today want you to buy 4-6 NEW titles from them a Year.
If they allow community mods to extend the life of a Sim, they may only sell you One a year...... see where this goes ?
CONSOLES !!!!!
No Mods.... Buy the Newest Title,,,, Keep the Customer in a Buying cycle.

What share of the Market they miss....
Old, Hardcore, make a good title last 10 years..... Some that would rather mod, than actually Play the Title !
But thats a small demographic.....
What they miss is.... that customer will usually be the most LOYAL customer and buy most of their other titles anyway in hopes it can surpass their favorite...... willing to have patience thru a release/patch process, knowing how these things go, and giving the publisher the benefit of the doubt !

But as I said..... Small share of the Market today..... (*sigh*)....

So applaud those pc titles that give their customers flexibility !
We Need More PC titles to Live... as the consoles are slowly making our Gaming PC's obsolete for any thing other than CAD....lol.....

Anywyas........'
I'll shut up for another couple years now.....
:03:

Really nice post - totally agree with you.

Diopos 11-06-10 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1529163)
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the game and all that went into it belongs to ubi NOT the devs so if you cant see the grey area of that, well i am at a loss to explain it to you
...

Explain it to SHV Devs
(from their interview to Subsim LINK):

Quote:

Subsim: Modding, everybody asked me about this, the games before have been open to a certain extent to mod, and modding is a big thing, a lot of credibility on modding. How open is this game to modding?

Alex: Modding? Let's say like this: the modders will be extremely happy with Silent Hunter 5. It's quite a bit more open than the previous, and you surely will find some nice surprises.

Subsim: That sounds good. Any kind of construction kits?

Alex: Not really, the file types will be more open.
Do you think they got sued by Ubi?

:hmmm:

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Webster 11-06-10 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Diopos (Post 1530728)
Explain it to SHV Devs
(from their interview to Subsim LINK):



Do you think they got sued by Ubi?

:hmmm:

.


ok so where's the question ??? :06: are you trying to imply the devs made the game more moddable in some dark secret back room without ubi knowing about it :har:

no i dont think ubi sued the devs for doing what they were allowed to do with ubi's permission and blessing so the game would be more appealing.

Diopos 11-07-10 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1531092)
ok so where's the question ??? :06: are you trying to imply the devs made the game more moddable in some dark secret back room without ubi knowing about it :har:

no i dont think ubi sued the devs for doing what they were allowed to do with ubi's permission and blessing so the game would be more appealing.

Exactly, moding is part of the game. UBI decided so. Everyone can, purchase, play and mod the game. Devs included. As long as they don't mess around with the hard coded stuff, I see no probem. Heck, we don't know if they're already doing it!


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JU_88 11-07-10 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diopos (Post 1530728)
Explain it to SHV Devs
(from their interview to Subsim LINK):



Do you think they got sued by Ubi?

:hmmm:

.

So.... Ubi would sue themselves?
Oh come on... next they will be banning their own products :haha:

SteamWake 11-07-10 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1531195)
So.... Ubi would sue themselves?
Oh come on... next they will be banning their own products :haha:

Wait he may be on to something here... :haha:

Webster 11-07-10 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diopos (Post 1531141)
Exactly, moding is part of the game. UBI decided so. Everyone can, purchase, play and mod the game. Devs included. As long as they don't mess around with the hard coded stuff, I see no probem. Heck, we don't know if they're already doing it!


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i never said the devs CANT make mods for the game i only said they dont because it "could" cause issues with ubi that "may" effect their work environment especially if it involved anything thought to be proprietary or in house secrets about the game.

if your job and reputation as keeping trade secrets goes was on the line would you put your name on a mod and release it to the public? i dont think so

this is why the devs will help with advice when they can just as they have done with sh3 and sh4 and they ARE helping with advice for some modders of sh5 but dont expect them to create and release mods for you.

Stealth Hunter 11-08-10 12:08 AM

I really considered getting Silent Hunter 5 at one point, but now it's just like... what's the point? We're never going to see any new content or anything now that the devs have been switched over to other projects, and we'll probably never see another game in the series. And now that the Grey Wolves team has pretty much faded away, there's no hope of modders coming to the rescue.

All we can do now is go back and relive the glory days with SH4 and SH3.

This is just like what happened with Dynamix's old Red Baron franchise. But at least with it, it had some GREAT modding potential that was not wasted by the community. And at least their final game, 3D, went out with a bang (one that lasted for YEARS after its release). Revenge of the Jastas, Full Canvas Jacket, etc.

And it's not just because Ubisoft is terrible at producing decent simulations anymore that all this that we've built up over the years is falling apart- it's also tied in with the times. People aren't as fascinated with simulations as they used to be.

We are, alas, a dying breed of gamers, gentlemen. And it seems that an end is finally in sight, unfortunately.

How much longer will our community here last I wonder.

TheDarkWraith 11-08-10 01:57 AM

you obviously haven't checked out the SH5 MODS forum. SH5 is a COMPLETELY different game with mods. And we are just getting started with it ;)

WarlordATF 11-08-10 02:56 AM

The problem with games these days is its all about the profit. Go back 10-20 years and games were made my people with a true passion for it. I'm not saying that the Devs don't have a passion for SHV, but the suits who give the orders don't allow them to actually complete the game.Now these companys that were tiny back then are major corporations and thats never a good thing when it comes to product quality.

Look at the old games, DOOM,SH1,Duke Nukem ect. These were highly polished games before release and patches were the rare exception. Now its all about bottom lines and carved in stone release dates. If a product is not ready they still ship it and promise to fix it in patches and we foolishly allow this by accepting it. If someone offered you a TV that only got 3 channels you would probably buy one somewhere else.

I Think UBI was kind of shocked that alot of us would not accept a half finished product and refused to buy SHV. They took this to mean that the subsim market was dead, when the reality of the situation is players are getting fed up with unfinished games with DRM that only hurts honest players. If any company out there were to release a complete and good subsim it would sell and do pretty well.

Axeman3d 11-08-10 04:31 AM

Most of what you say is perfectly true, accountants have taken over from bedroom programmers and we get the progams we are willing to pay for. I for one was one of the guys who refused to pay £35 for a half finished product in the hope that the devs and talented amatuers would fix it in a year or two. We also have to remember that any sim market is going to be a relatively small fraction of the total gaming market, so these guys will no doubt be all the more cocky as they are the only game in town. There are not many companies willing to put the time in to code a hard-core simulation appealing to a few thousand fans instead of knocking out mass market console fodder.


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