wow... some classes i have taken, the instructor will make you take the firearm apart, piece it back together, and function check it.

you also learn not to point the firearm at anything you dont intend to kill.

you learn how to deal with threats with loud booming aggressive shouting

"STOP OR I'LL SHOOT!!! , GET DOWN ON THE GROUND NOW!!!"

(you know... loud and in your face like you see on that show "cops")

its quite fun really.

in the end you have to empty the entire magazine into a standard 8.5x11 piece of computer paper and only one round can miss... this is accomplished from a distance of about 3 - 5 feet depending on the firearm used. this helps determine your threshold - a sort of comfort zone which- once penetrated the attacker has a greater chance of disarming you by hand.

the trick is - the only time the attacker should be inside this zone is if he falls into it... dead.

Again sir(Aramike) you are not very smart. You are just the type who goes into general topics and picks fights and trys to break down what others say. Like I said it is very intertaing(in other words you doing what you are doing is making me laugh my ass off):03:

Break that one down for us all if you will sir.
At least GoldenRivet is largerly forming his own opnion rather than breaking down each thing I say.Also yuo guys fail to see the effect of a large dog which I own this dog is always on guard and will alert when anyhting out of the norm is near long before anything like an alarm will further more hearing a large dangerous dog barking is going to be a deterant for most people because that adds an aniamal that could likely kill the intending attacker and at least it alerts the home owner.
Here is another one for you to break down;What is the velocity of a Sparrow?


And young kids do what ever the hell you want to do but my saying be able to defend by ANY means and them saying no you must have a gun. I think if you have any brains in your head you can see what is wiser.If you rely on only one thing you are harming but yourself.I am going to bed now. Dont worry about me I will ok.

Sure, buddy. You're the one recommending bringing a knife to a gun fight and then calling ME not smart. Good luck selling that one.Umm, can you read? I have a very clear opinion on the matter which I've stated several times, which I happen to share with GR. Nice attempt to turn the same side against each other (right).

Oh, by the way - a "smart" person knows that an opinion can exist regardless of whether or not another's statements have been "broken down". I actually do that as a courtesy, so people know that I'm not simply dodging their points.Hmm, something else you add to the equation AFTER the matter. Memo to Stealhead - we're talking about guns versus fists against an unarmed intruder. Your dog is irrelevent.I have no idea what you're trying to say here, but I suspect it would be much easier to read if you employed proper English and grammar (something that "smart" people like you ought to be able to do quite easily).

Too bad the opinion in question isn't about "relying on one thing" as you now claim it to be. You said something completely different than that, and now I can't stop laughing at how you're backtracking and trying to act like everyone ELSE is the idiot. :yep:

You'd do a lot better keeping your comments about who's "not a man", who's not smart, blah-blah this and blah-blah that to yourself ... because those comments are ironic, considering the source.

Oh, and younger viewers - don't do whatever the hell you want. Listen to what safety professionals say, and not some internet troll's bogus 90% statistics.

Ah thank you for making me laugh during my lunch break "dude". I see that you are still making your own view of something very sound. Which is that you should be able to defend yourself just with your hands because you will not always be in control and there are times where you will not be able to get to your gun or your gun may fail it happens saw it with my own eyes in Iraq the soliders M-4 failed fataly no longer able to fire at all and you better belive the solider kept it in good shape murhpys law he went to his m-9 but had he been close range or not had a the M-9 then he must either use rifle but and blade or hand to hand. And you mindless fool if you are saying if someone comes into my house my dog being there is 100% legit.


And to all younger viewers just because Aramike is old means nothing besides the fact that he must be bored and a has nothing better to do but keep making me(and everyone else) laugh.
If you fail to see it as a good idea to able to defend yourself from a gun when you dont have one at hand suit yourself and die having no means at least to attempt to defend yourself.And stop making up situations where you are in control if someone is coming to attack your you wont be in control.

This is not a grammar class or anyhting being graded so I dont really care about grammar mistakes or spelling."Buddy" I was not aware my last name was Holly.And i long since stated that the not much of a man statement was used to add a bit of scarcasim I just did not expect so many to get thier cheerios pissed in.Yet you are still running with that for some reason i assume to make me laugh which I am as are my co-workers and boss.You will make the week go by fast if you keep it up.



Break it down know it all Aramike thank the good lord you are around for me now I dont know how I lived to be 33 I really could have used you when I was Iraq for that one year tour.
Come on! Break it down Break it down Break it down for me!

A: I'm not old.

B: Your "mindless fool..." ..."dog being there is 100% legit" comment makes no sense.

C: I can handle myself very well with my hands, thank you. I'm just not stupid enough to think that it's a good idea to do so against a gun.

D: Glad you're laughing too. That makes me feel like I'm laughing with you and not at you. :doh:

Ok so in a situation where you have nothing and someone has a gun aimed at your head and they are within arms reach and they appear that they are about to fire the weapon you are going to simply let the person shot you? I will give you the benafit of the doubt here as you seem still to fail to see what I said which was you should be able to defend yourself in ANY situation.(ANY meaning one in which you have NOTHING no gun and the attacker has something)

Yep I am laughing at you. You can type what ever you want.
"Dude" this is so funny.

You broke it down broke it down now for us are you a former member of Grand Funk Railroad or something?You seem to love to break it down.

Though if you really broke it down you would see what I am saying about self defence.I hope for your sake that the day never comes when you have no weapons and someone cames at you with a gun and sticks it in your face. If it where to happen youd think wow Stealhead was right I have no gun to counter this mans gun. This is the fight that you recived no invatation to and it will be for your life.Let that simmer for a bit.dont forget you have NOTHING the attacker has a gun.;)

Keep on truckin "dude" I eagrely await your rambeling.

Stealhead, I think I'm done with you "dude". For one, I can barely understand the incomprehensible way you write, which leads me to think that you're probably 15 years old or less. For two, you keep changing the argument then getting pissed that you STILL aren't making any sense.

By the way, the EXPERTS say that, if you do not have a gun and an assailant is armed, you should do what that person says.

You're clearly a little bit, umm, slow, so I'll let you have the last rambling, incoherent word.

Oh, and by the way, saying that you're laughing in EVERY SINGLE POST only insults yourself. :haha:

PS: Learn to read. I've stated that I know how to handle myself with my hands. That's not the issue.

And another thread bites the dust - soooo off topic its not funny.

1) It doesn't matter which side of the 'Guns for Defense of the home' arguement - you can argue till your blue in the face it isn't going to change anybody's mind

2) If you are going to argue over the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms, its should be argued from the proper point, that being as an ultimate check and balance against the state - not for personal home invasion defense.

3) None of the above 2 points have anything to do with the original issue in this thread - The abridgement of due process in executing a search. They (ATF) could be looking for contriband cookie dough for all that matters. Unfortunately since it happened to be firearms some people like to take the train off the tracks.

^^^ This man is Yoda

Actually, the only point that seems to be left is the absurdity of this statement: "I feel any man who cant defend himself just with his hands is a sad excuse for a man."

That is a class you took, but did you have to in order to buy?

Buddahaid

I see your in The Lone Star State, so here's a link to Uncle Bob's gun business.
http://www.bobjonesguns.com/

some concealed handgun classes are like this. i have never seen a regular gun safety or hunter safety course go NEARLY that in depth.

very easy those are.

it depends a lot on the teacher, where you take the class, and what the educators past experience is. (military, police etc)

cool link!

Thanks. The question I had though, was do you HAVE, not should, take safety courses to buy a gun? As for legal concealed, here you need to apply for a concealed weapons permit to the local Sheriff's Dept., and I don't really know what's required.

Buddahaid

50 states 50 different sets of laws and regulations.

There are a bunch of websites out there with all kinds of useful information. Here are a few: http://www.carryconcealed.net/, http://handgunlaw.us/, http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/