I just advised iambecomelife in the mods forum to send reg mcneal a "cease and desist" notice, with copies on all the major forums (fora), as well as to the publishers; I recommended including that he will consider all options available to him in the event they choose to disregard the notice.

They backed off once before, maybe they'll back down again if the original modders contact them specifically advising them that consent was not obtained prior to release. Perhaps the publication of that notice might be enough to dent sales and/or give marketers pause for thought...

I had offered before to draft a letter detailing X1's nefarious behavior. Although that idea died, I think it would be a good idea for the community, specifically those modders whose work was purloined, to get a summary of previous X1 dealings to place alongside summaries of X1's current dealings- would certainly help create a stronger, more straightforward case. Maybe someone could translate it into German, print it off, and leave copies at the stores where seewolves is being sold? Make people think anyway...

I see things this way...they stole the mods which is a fact and are planning on doing it again,BUT...unless someone actually does something about it in a court action or lawsuit you will get nowhere.

All your posts in this thread and elsewhere simply wont do anything.X1 simply ignores you and goes ahead anyhow.You have to take legal action not simply yap and complain about it on a forum if you actually want to stop them.Talk is cheap and actions DO speak louser than words.

This has to be handled by lawyers in the legal realm (Germany? EU?) where the marketer is located.

Maybe we need to set up a community legal fund and chip in a bit? :hmm:

Any attornies here? Or anyone with an attorney friend that can help?

Legal recourse is the way to stop them and make them pay through the nose, if they are indeed guilty of intellectual property theft.

What´s the evidence so far? We know that some AOTD Clan sounds were used without permission. What else have they included without asking the owners?

We shall have to get a copy and examine it. But it is fairly safe to say that if they "used without permission" just one mod, then they have shown they are more than willing to "use" other mods.

not very wise
 

Hm not very wise to shut the uboot site down, this only shows that X1 has won. They wanna stop mod-sharing, and apparrantly the admin of uboot-site is accepting this by shuttin ghis site down.

Re-think this pls, [...] <Moderator edit: Do not suggest illegal behaviour - Gizzmoe>

Well you saw "Reg" claiming they are planning patches to add Leigh Lights, zig zag convoys, a hospital ship unit (whose? iambecomelife wrote specifically his mod si not for payware) and woflpacks with firign subs. All are current recent freeware mods, pretty sucpicious, or maybe they'll ask the modders permission before adding them to the patch. :roll:

See JoeA's post here for the details.

Is there a lawyer in the house? :shifty:

Yes, I saw it, but for a lawyer it´s more relevant what´s in the commercial package that´s for sale in stores right now. What they release in a patch in a month or so doesn´t matter at the moment.

the most relevant thing for a lawyer is the litigation value because he base his bills on it. :lol:

For Seawolves this value is 24.95€, so for the first consultation he may require only 17€ based on the BRAGO (Bundesgebührenordnung für Rechtsanwälte) because the litigation value is below 300€ :cool:

No one here has standing to sue X1... except the modder who has suffered actual damages due to actual copyright infringement... but, what are the damages, if any?... and does the modder hold an actual copyright to anything?...

Then, there is the question of what law applies, what court has jurisdiction, and where is the proper venue for litigation?...

Right now, private detectives are probably needed to gather in all the facts.... names, addresses, dates, telephone numbers, website login records, emails, retail sales records, software publication records, etc.... before any lawsuit is filed...

Gathering pre-suit evidence, just to determine what liability and damages exist, if any at all, is very time consuming and requires a lot of voluntatry cooperation from other people, which is seldom forthcoming...

Cordialement, Duke of Earl

Well then..............................

........................... bomb them! :smug:

/me agrees & sends the B-2s.

FYI: Gamestar, one of Germany's best selling PC Game Magazines, doesn't even mention X1's filthy piece of junk in the latest issue (11 / 05, will be in stores on Wednesday, subscribers got their issues today).