The only person I know who went to any Tea PArties here in ABQ is my mother in law. She's a democrat (I've heard her banter with her republican husband many times on political issues, too). Volunteers at the art museum. She's a polling place worker (whatever they call the supervisors) and has been for years. She's as open minded a person as you'll ever meet. If she heard someone using a racial epithet she'd dress them down on the spot, too.

Hardly a right-wing extremist.

Regarding personal armies, I thought that he already had that. I recall the paramilitary guys who were intimidating voters in Philly, and his Admin dropped the charges recently, did they not?

I am not part of it but the Tea Party movement has some great points and I have no problem with them unless they try to run a candidate for president in 2012 and take votes that will help obama win the election.The media and Obama admin try to paint them a racist, crazy right wingers but they are not.The majority or close to it are independent voters, around 10 percent are Democrats.Many blacks and latinos in there as well.Obama admin and lefties in media are just applying some Allinsky tactics.

Now, the clip I left showing obama talking about what he wants shows his intentions for the "civillian national security force" . Hmmm sounds much different the uniformed public health service eh? Obama for all his flaws, is not stupid, he is not as smart as some make him out to be but his intelligent and is an ideologue who wants to do what he can to accomplish his agenda.Now, he is smart enough to know he can't just come out and establish a new armed forced, so he played the system.I would love to know what Senator or Rep inserted this act of treason into the hc bill.Obama gets his "civillian national security force" under the guise of the already existent uniformed public health service.With them answering only to the President and being appointed only be the President, hmmm.Unfortunately people in his country often give a President the benefit of the doubt on things, simply because he is the President.Obama no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt and has not for a while.Honestly he did not deserve it during the campaign when all his shady associations came out but were overlooked for some reason. I know why some did, because he was running as a centrist and was the fresh new guy and everyone was tired of Bush.The time for that has ended though, "change" is happening before our eyes and some people refuse to believe it or acknowledge it.Either they are blind, stupid or do not mind us moving in the direction because they think it will help them and do not realize that.

I am not a wingnut conspiracy theorist, I am a young Conservative who would question a conservative president's actions just the same if he/she was doing things the way obama is and had the shady backround this guy does.Many others who dissent and raise the alarm about things that seem impossible but are happening are often attacked and called crazy etc but are often proven to have been right.I would bet back in Germany people who were warning about Adolf Hitler were called nuts and crazies and in many cases were prob murdered by Hitlers own private little army.Obama thinks he is doing what is right because his entire life he was indoctrinated in far left views.Obama's father and mother were far left, his grandparents were lefties as well.Obama's self described father like mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a communist.Obama admits to seeking out the radicals like socialists in college because he didnt want to be a 'sell out'.Given his positions in past , most of his actions as President, his associations, his comments, it all adds up and it is not far fetched to raise the alarm on this man creating this private army under the guise of the USPHSCC.

I see your point and yes I take a look back, always have.Things are different now though and we must get people to see that, this is not just politics anymore, it's a non violent war really.For the first time we really have a President who cares more about his dangerous ideology and his agenda than the health of the nation.Obama has shown disregard for public opinion(we the people) the supreme law of the US, the Constitution and his oath to uphold it because he does not value it and things its just something he needs to circumvent.Bush was not perfect but he does love this country and was not going after his critics like the Obama admin and did not have plans that included things like a private army, opressive govt healthcare etc etc The old game of this is just politics no longer applies as I said, this is a real fight for the future, to keep us as that shining city on a hill so to speak.We are in danger of turning into an oppressed nation, difficult for many to see but not impossible, just look at history, many did not realize it until it was too late.Reagan said it best....


"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

I don't want to offend anyone, but reading this thread creates the image of the USA being a badly run banana republic. There's talk of a new Gestapo, disguised as doctors, the President building a Private Army from health professionals, taking away civil rights by providing healthcare and so on.

This sounds more like "People's Republic of Kneecapsia" and not like a industrialized, modern Country.

Be afraid, be very afraid, once the gestapo have conquered true patriotic America who believe in upholding the constipation and have put the population in concentration camps they will get on a secret magic flying carpet which Obama purchased for his evil personal private air force and go to europe where they will do the same to patriotic europinians.

Yes, a secret nazi army disguised as health workers and "hidden" in a piece of very public legislation doesn't sound like a crazy conspiracy theory at all.

Nah, just a bunch of people choosing to interpret events in the worst possible way to further a personal opinion. That's their right. Don't take these posts too seriously. I don't. :D

You do know they were targeting police right? You arent helping your points with such talk.

As for this new force. The usual suspects are considering it some horrid thing beyond belief. However there is nothing wrong with a civil service group. Pete knows we could use more dentists.

And here I thought the new Gestapo was all those corporate mercenary armies we employ throughout the globe. Or is it the NEW NSA who spys on US now instead of foreign nationals overseas? Will Obama use these doctors to assassinate US citizen Anwar al Awlaki ala Isoroku Yamamoto instead of arresting him and trying him for High Treason?

Not interpreting things in the worst possible way to further my personal opinion.I arm speaking out in a forum on a serious issue that some seem to take lightly and ignore what obama said he wants the ready reserve to be, it's in the youtube link I included in my original post.My biggest problem is the obama regime seems to have no respect for the constitution or the citizens so they continue on with an agenda that is hurting this nation, possibly beyond repair.For a time I believed the damage was not intentional, just the result of having a mental illness called liberalism combined with naivete and ignorance.I even gave the man the benefit of the doubt after he was elected even though I opposed him.I gave him a fair shot but only things he has done that are right is to approve a surge in Afganistan and unblock the federal funding for stem cell research.A slew of recent actions have made me question whether or not the damage is intentional since it's obvious from his past writings as well as current and past associations with radicals who are not fans of America such as Wright, Ayers, Jones, Dunne, Frank Marshall Davis, Jim Wallace etc etc etc etc that he is not a big fan of American as she is and has been. One can only give the man the benefit of the doubt for so long, many did when they voted for him and are having regrets about that decision now.

You seem to think that there is a difference between the Demo-Corporatist Party and the Republo-corporatist party. I say,

Same-same pidgen

BOTH parties are wholly owned and controlled subsidiaries of our new Corporate Citizens. You know, the ONLY citizens who have any REAL influence on this country. What we say or do has absolutely NO IMPACT on our daily lives. Get used to it.

You just don't get it at all.
You took what was said, twisted it out of all semblance of reality and are still ranting about how real your warped version is long after its been spelt out in black and white for all to see that its just crazy conspiracy nonsense you are spouting.:doh:

We do not employ "corporate mercenary armies" we use private security firms such as Blackwater or whatever they changed their name to because the press ganged up on them.

Honestly, if we get the chance we should assassinte Anwar al Awlaki, this fool is piece of garbarge who obviously does not care he is a US citizen, so hopefully a predator drone will find him soon.

Again, this force will not be just a bunch of doctors, nurses etc with 2,800 authorized strength as it has been in the past , if they were then obama would not have talked about them needing to be as well trained as the military to help us reach our "national security objectives" , also upped their numbers to 6000. I would bet that if obama is president long enough and IF the HC "reform" bill stays in as law, then I have a feeling we will see these people used in much different manner than intended when they were created years ago.Will they be the Gestapo, eh prob not but usedf in striking similar manner, maybe. The man does not believe in the constitution or what the citizens want so what is to stop him? Esp with a private army of 6,000.The thing we have to fear most is his second term, when he does not even have to worry about being elected again.

Could you be more cynical? What we say and do does have impact, it's called voting.The influence of corporate america is there but not to the degree you asserted.The apathy by many people who see things like you are what has led to many of our problem.

Can you please give me a context for the statement Obama makes in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yG...eature=related, the first video you linked to. Where was he speaking, who was he speaking to, can you provide a link to the rest of this speech?

Can you also show that he was speaking in this clip about the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps in that clip?

Can you please show how the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is a "private army" for Obama, when it has been in existence for many years?

Can you show me how expanding an already existing agency is forming a private army that answers only to Obama?

Can you show how providing for a reserve for that Corps, to take up slack when things get rough, is providing Obama with a private army?

Please demonstrate these things.


If you can't provide _solid_ evidence for this, then your speculation remains only speculation, and furthermore, it sounds like nothing more than the paranoid rantings of an anti-government nutcase.

No, it is you who does not get it.You seem to give them a pass on every subject.I am not spouting crazy conspiracy nonsense, I showed you a video of him saying exactly what he wanted this force to be.I pointed out that in the past, they have been a service of doctors, nurses, engineers etc with authorized strength of 2,800.I am just going off of what Obama said he wants them to be, except now they have an authorized strength of 6,000 right now, could grow next time it is snuck into a bill.I could be wrong but doubt it, regardless this should concern everyone in America.

Watch this AGAIN and see if it gets through:damn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yG...eature=related

Can not help but laugh at all the sheep clapping as he talks, funny yet disgusting.:har::damn:

At least my Tin Foil stock is going up. :yeah:

You have an interesting perspective on events, I do have to admit.

Thanks for sharing.

lol@ the tin foil comment, does not bother me but funny because I have used that to refer to people in the past.I am not a anti-government nut, a conspiracy theorist etc regardless of what certain people may say.I do believe in the constitution which means limited federal power and intervention.Since the plague of liberalism struck America a while back, there have been more assaults upon the constitution than ever before and they continue today. I do believe in moral clarity, there is good and evil in this world.Not going on the religious perspective here, because I am an atheist.However, with all the "evil in the world, it is apparent some people as they say in the south "just ain't right" I believe Obama thinks he is doing what is right because his entire life he was indoctrinated in marxism etc, combine that with his race and class issues(made very apparent in his book Dreams of my Father, authored before he was in politics, perhaps a product of the marxism he got from his mother, frank marshall davis etc), this has led us to what we have now.Those who believe they are doing the right thing and go to extremes such as he seems to be doing, are those who create the most hellish tyrannies.

Many in America have a certain degree of naivete when it comes to this because it has never happened in American yet or even really attempted and we seem secure, this has lead to a lack of vigilance and it seems we have the first real threat to America as we know it.I could be wrong but I doubt it, I honestly hope I am but it's going on right in front of us everyday, many seem to have awoken but some are still in denial.Only way to stop it is to vote him out and vote out the dem majority in the congress.Call me an optimist but really believe if we do this, things will improve.The GOP has learned from the election of Obama and the Dems and will not make mistakes of the past.Again, I could be wrong but I hope not.

I simply do not have time at moment to type out another long response so will do it later when i return from night out or tomorrow when i have a chance but do have a response.

This video with the judge spells it out pretty well for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcgewO2l73g

At 1:00, the judge says "they can work in the Public Health Service", refering to the doctors added to the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. So, the doctors added to the Public Health Service could work in the Public Health Service? Interesting logic there...

He goes on to say "...they will train with the military... have the powers of the military..." He neglects to mention that they are already doing so.

So they already work and train with the military. They are a corps of comissioned officers in one of the uniformed services. So, nope, it's no surprise they operate similarly to the military.

At 3:45, he refers to Obama calling for a "domestic military" during the campaign. Was this perhaps the 21 second video you keep pointing us to? And can anybody link that quote to the USPHS Commissioned Corps?

I also caught at least a couple of times where he's confusing the issue of the Commissioned Corps with presidential authority over the National Guard.

So, I still don't see how this expansion of an already existing uniformed service is in any way the creation of Obama's private army. By the way, is 6,000 doctors, dentists, nurses, psychologists, and veterinarians going to be enough for Obama to win his revolution against the regular military and citizens that will oppose him?

Let's look at some of the evil, nefarious deeds of this "private army", shall we?
Foul demon bastards of pure evil, indeed.
Will they stop at nothing?!? I bet they're involved in plans for fluoridation of water, too! We can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.