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John Pancoast 10-03-06 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Highbury
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Let me see if I have this right: We have SHIII, so we should be happy with the original Silent Hunter if we are fans of the Pacific War. Ten years from now, when all-new technology is available, there shouldn't be any more WWII sims because it's been done before.

I guess I should stick with Silent Service and Grey Wolf, because Aces of the Deep was a new WWII sub sim and shouldn't have been done. Same holds with Silent Hunter-we already had one.

I'm sorry, but I think SHIV is just the thing *I* need to make my next few years complete, and I hope when a newer way of doing things comes along they don't listen to you.

Just my opinion, though.

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Spot on. They are not re-doing it by any means.. they are improving the genre with the advancing technology in computers.

Also, why do you think they have focused on WWII? Because a small minority wants it? No. You would probably find that when the few modern ones that have been made went up against a WWII one they fell far behind in sales. Same applies in flight sims.. ask that community what the calssics are.. Lucas' BoB and SWotL, Dynamix's Red Baron series, IL-2 and follow ups.. etc etc etc.. rarely will a modern one pop in there (yes I know Falcon 4.0 etc but the WWII ones have a larger following.) Ubi wants to make money, not make a small crowd happy.

For myself I prefer WWII in flight and naval sims, and even the shooters I'll take Red Orchestra:Ost Front over Counter Strike:Source any day. Why? As others have said modern sims have little soul, no ænema. Just point and click, let the computer do the rest.. no grit.

I am not meaning to talk down your preference, just trying to say why I and many others can have a new WWII one every 2 years or so for life and die happy, and why the companies think they will make more that way.


Hmmm.....I'd disagree with your statement about F4's following.

TwistedFemur 10-04-06 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed
Problem with modern day sub sims for me is the lack of a good back story..or back history in this case. True, modern subs have had their "blind man's bluff" days and hypothetical Cold War moments but nothing to me really compares to the complete and complex history of constant ongoing operations like there was in WW2. Dangerous Waters and Sub Command seems to have that market covered anyhow.

Plus, there is plenty of material left to be mined in WW2. The subject of a British sub sim set in the Med sadly hasn't been touched yet. Going by this forum there is a market for WW2 Japanese subs sims as well.


Not to mention Night bombing in a lancaster
A WW2 tanksim hasnt been done in awhile and I have yet to see one where you take a tank crew through the war upgradeing as the war progresses

SgtWalt65 10-15-06 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JordanC
Exactly! Well it may be a little hard to come up with a story, it could be done!

But, no game will have ALL of the features players want. I just think Ubi needs to implement something big if they want the SH series to keep a steady pace. WWII naval warfare is very interesting, don't get me wrong, I still am WAY more interested in WWII then I am in modern warfare, but I suppose it's just getting old. Cruising at periscope depth for an hour chasing a convoy at 5 knts was fun, but I just want something different.


Well I think if you read all the post about Modern Sub Sim versus WW2 Sub Sim, the WW2 wins. Ubisoft has a winner here with WW2 and I do not see the changing anytime soon and I hope they don't. Like what was said by others in here, the modern sub sim is just too boring and push button. The WW2 is much more challenging and fun. Not to mention, the WW2 sub systems are declassified and most of the modern subs systems are still classified. So very little is known about how they operate and that is a key killer point for making a realistic sub sim.:nope:
If you want a modern sub sim go and talk with the makers of Dangerous Waters.;)

GakunGak 10-15-06 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtWalt65
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Originally Posted by JordanC
Exactly! Well it may be a little hard to come up with a story, it could be done!

But, no game will have ALL of the features players want. I just think Ubi needs to implement something big if they want the SH series to keep a steady pace. WWII naval warfare is very interesting, don't get me wrong, I still am WAY more interested in WWII then I am in modern warfare, but I suppose it's just getting old. Cruising at periscope depth for an hour chasing a convoy at 5 knts was fun, but I just want something different.


Well I think if you read all the post about Modern Sub Sim versus WW2 Sub Sim, the WW2 wins. Ubisoft has a winner here with WW2 and I do not see the changing anytime soon and I hope they don't. Like what was said by others in here, the modern sub sim is just too boring and push button. The WW2 is much more challenging and fun. Not to mention, the WW2 sub systems are declassified and most of the modern subs systems are still classified. So very little is known about how they operate and that is a key killer point for making a realistic sub sim.:nope:
If you want a modern sub sim go and talk with the makers of Dangerous Waters.;)

But Dnagerous Waters is too poor with graphics, not to mention 2D panels....
They could go to navsource.org, see some samples a make, say:
1. US SSN Seawolf
2. US SSN LA 688i
3. USS SSBN OHIO
4. RU SSN Akula
5. RU SSN Alfa
6. RU SSBN Typhoon
Make fictional story such as Red Storm Rising or The Hunt for Red october.
Also add nuke missiles, and all hell's gonna break loose!!!!
As for enemy detection, you have a complicated sonar system for detecting & classifying contacts.... And yes! Damage reports. I want water leak [if possible].
And stay silent.
Would be nice if diesels team up with nukes....
Imagine nuke vs. wwii diesel sub or even u-boat. Maybe XXI would stand a chance...:|\\ :arrgh!: :ping:
Sonar: Conn, Sonar: I have a distant contact, submerged. Probably u-boat, sir!
Skipp: Sonar, Conn: Don't bulls**t me, sonar, or no meal for 2 days!
Sonar: Sonar, aye! [To himself: Jackass!].
Skipp: I heard you, sonar!
Sonar: Sorry, sir, just thinking out loud. And BTW, torpedo in the water, straight running, closing fast!
Skipp: And what's it gonna do, kill us? Gimme a break...
Sonar: Aye, sir. Cap'n, a favor?
Skipp: Speak.
Sonar: Tell the people I owe the money to f**k off!
Skipp: Dismissed!:doh: :damn:

TinCan 10-18-06 01:12 PM

I'd love to see a new WW2 game with state of the art graphics. :up: SH3 is a great game but looking forward to going back to the Pacific.

Roads88 10-18-06 01:36 PM

I think you all are missing a great period for the next SHIV. Thru the mists of time it comes:

"Silent Hunter IV. THE HUNDLEY ATTACKS":arrgh!: :arrgh!: :arrgh!:


I think a remake of Red Storm Rising and Task Force 1942 would be fantastic.:up:

GakunGak 10-18-06 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Roads88
I think you all are missing a great period for the next SHIV. Thru the mists of time it comes:

"Silent Hunter IV. THE HUNDLEY ATTACKS":arrgh!: :arrgh!: :arrgh!:


I think a remake of Red Storm Rising and Task Force 1942 would be vantastic.:up:

Agree 100%!!!:up: :up: :know: :rock: :arrgh!: :|\\

Albrecht Von Hesse 10-18-06 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
Ubisoft could always have a go at another "Destroyer Command" for compatibility with SHIII and SHIV.

That would make things quite interesting.

:up: :up: :up:

I'm already looking at buying Destroyer Command, and if they were to come out with a Destroyer Command II I'd snap it right up.

FIREWALL 10-18-06 03:00 PM

Hi everyone:) I have Janes 688i Hunter\Killer & Dangerous Waters. Played both for a while for a change of pace. Their both on the shelf now gathering dust. I like to see what I kill.:up: " What you kill you keep" SH-3 ,GW1.1a :rock: Good Hunting

Goat 10-18-06 03:33 PM

I'm so new the ink isn't dry on my enlistment contract. I played [and will always have] both F/A-18 and Falcon 4. Fantastically great 'study' games. Personally, I leaned to the Hornet for realism and the Viper for 'game-play'. So when I decided to get my feet in the water, I first chased down a used 688i... and was learning on that. Realizing where it all led, I bought a new D/W..'and' the $'s book. None of it 'fit'. Then I stumbled onto SH3 for $18 in a Navy Exchange...WOW! All the realism an old surface sailor can ask for...and none of the 'watching paint dry' of Modern Boats. Without a doubt, the Modern Jet games are much more interesting than the Modern Boat games. All I had to do was gag down the Swastikas. Sure Das Boat was a great flick, but *I* remember 'Pearl' . As I learn more of the intense depth of SH3, I can't wait for SH4 ! Heck, if nothing else the water is warmer out there.. and I know!

Bring on SH4...please... and soon..

FIREWALL 10-18-06 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Goat
I'm so new the ink isn't dry on my enlistment contract. I played [and will always have] both F/A-18 and Falcon 4. Fantastically great 'study' games. Personally, I leaned to the Hornet for realism and the Viper for 'game-play'. So when I decided to get my feet in the water, I first chased down a used 688i... and was learning on that. Realizing where it all led, I bought a new D/W..'and' the $'s book. None of it 'fit'. Then I stumbled onto SH3 for $18 in a Navy Exchange...WOW! All the realism an old surface sailor can ask for...and none of the 'watching paint dry' of Modern Boats. Without a doubt, the Modern Jet games are much more interesting than the Modern Boat games. All I had to do was gag down the Swastikas. Sure Das Boat was a great flick, but *I* remember 'Pearl' . As I learn more of the intense depth of SH3, I can't wait for SH4 ! Heck, if nothing else the water is warmer out there.. and I know!

Bring on SH4...please... and soon..

Hi Goat :) I'm with you.:up: I also have an extensive list of flight sims"WWII & Modern.Luv em. USE Saitek X52 controllers .Wish they came with rudder pedals:cry: . Btw. Iused to live in a place called Bainbridge Is. near Bangor in Wash State. Bangor is a Trident sub base. I can tell you a short story if your interested that will make your hair stand on end . Good Hunting:lurk:

Albrecht Von Hesse 10-18-06 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL
Hi Goat :) I'm with you.:up: I also have an extensive list of flight sims"WWII & Modern.Luv em. USE Saitek X52 controllers .Wish they came with rudder pedals:cry: . Btw. Iused to live in a place called Bainbridge Is. near Bangor in Wash State. Bangor is a Trident sub base. I can tell you a short story if your interested that will make your hair stand on end . Good Hunting:lurk:

I've got the X52 controllers, too: joystick and throttle . . . swe-eeeet!:up:

I just need to go to college to figger out all dem buttons, switches, rockers, etc. :p

I wish they had rudders, too, darrnit. I hate having to twist-a-stick to simulate rudder motion.:cry:

Goat 10-18-06 05:15 PM

Firewall... My current home port is near Port Angeles. Have waited for a lot of boats to pass through the Hood Canal bridge.

I'm so new I don't remember if there is P.M. on this web page or not, but if I know Sea-Stories, they all begin with "This ain't no ****", and the other rule is The First Liar Stands No Chance ...;)

Yes, I keep the Plane Games on my old '98 machine with the Voodoo5 video. It runs games of that Era better than all the XP/New Video ones around. Maybe I'll light 'em off again one of these days when I FINALLY plot a good intercept course... then figure out how to USE the '3:15' rule..etc. I've got lots of time, but the learnin' comes slower now!!!

Be Happy... So Cal isn't all bad either, as I remember

Goat 10-18-06 05:17 PM

Von Hesse...you are good for morale ! I *had* a Cougar. More trouble remembering the buttons and levers than.... the game. I literally gave that thing away to a Gullible One. Was tickled pink to have it out of the house !

Albrecht Von Hesse 10-18-06 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Goat
Von Hesse...you are good for morale ! I *had* a Cougar. More trouble remembering the buttons and levers than.... the game. I literally gave that thing away to a Gullible One. Was tickled pink to have it out of the house !

A very nice thing I like about the Saitek X52 is they are custom-programmable. Every button, knob, dial . . . you can even print out the template and note which-does-what, and set them for what you want. And it even has a button you can toggle that lets you push things and see what you set them for. So you can find out that, yes, that button does fire your Harpoon without actually firing it.:D


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