No, it is already a failure, it was a failure from the moment it passed because it is an idiotic law.Premiums have skyrocketed for many, have been for a while, why? The taxes in this law cause costs to rise.The 15% tax on medical equipment for example.After it makes cost for everyone in the supply chain go up, who do you think will fit the bill via higher premiums(many already have)? The consumer, the now mandated(unconstitutionally, whatever the supreme court and corrupt justice robert's alleged in the most striking case of intellectual dishonesty I have seen in a long time) is stuck.Many have had their plans canceled because they don't meet the "standards" of obamacare.Yea, like men having to carry maternity coverage on their polices? lol Why people can not see how wrong it is to have the government dictate why health policy you carry, is just a sign of the sad state this country is in.All this bill has done is cause massive upheaval in a major part of our economy, and tamper with the best health care system in the world.Our quality is great, it's why so many from even places like canada with "universal healthcare" come here, but we get low rankings because a minority of citizens do not have health insurance.That contradicts Democratic collective logic, the needs of the many outway the needs of the few right? Most American's had healthcare but out of 317 million roughly 40 million did not? Even after this monstrosity is in full effect, still probably have same amount or or more without care because many won't be able to afford it and will not qualify for subsidies.This is in the long run just an underhanded expansion of the welfare state, it is a disaster and only way to "fix it" would be to overhaul it so much, it will look nothing like the law passed in 2010 but then Dems would claim it worked! it worked! Law needs to be repealed and replaced.

The few good things, such as no denial for pre existing conditions, young adults can stay until 26, they do not warrant keeping such a dangerous, idiotic law in place but should be part of any replacement, good politics and decency demand it.


Honestly, if this was ever about actual healthcare, they would have simply made medicaid an option for everyone who wanted health insurance, and put things such as tort reform, allow insurance to be purchased across state lines, bringing competition , which as we know would cause costs to go down but NO, they wanted a big government, intrusive law, and well, we have the cluster that it is.

That idiotic line being perpetuated , "up to ACA standards" is a large part of what is wrong here! Healthcare is a private choice, government has not one GD bit of business dictating what type of coverage citizens carry.Someone wants a bare bones policy, that is their choice! The government does not know better than the individual.

I am so sick of the collectivism, this country is about the rights of the INDIVIDUAL. I am without health insurance, can no longer be on my parents, I am in my final year of school, work a part time position, can't afford it and don't want it.Assuming there is still private insurance I can afford once graduate in the spring and am working full time, I will purchase it but being young, if I only want a policy that covers certain things, that should be my choice.I know what is best for me, not some bozos in Washington. I really hate the current state my country is in, our tolerance has been our undoing.Tolerating the destructive "progressive" ideology and especially the left wing crap the surfaced in the 60's and 70's, is a large part of what has lead to our undoing.I believe in free speech but our culture tolerating collectivism has undermined this country.Sadly, there is no place to retreat to on this planet as there once was for oppressed people.

Nancy Pelosi knows what's best for you sweety. Don't you fret now.

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Healthcare is only a "private choice" in the very narrowest definition.
The government has every right to legislate coverage because when those with bare bones policies(or no policy) screw up its the taxpayer and other policy holders who foot the bill.
Your argument rests on the basis of "the government is going to make us pay", that is an entirely false position as you already pay, in fact you pay more than other industrialised nations and received an inferior service for all that expense.

No it isn't, it is about the rights of the individual and the rights of all citizens, just like most other countries.

Those who support Obama, sees no scandal, whereas those who dislike him sees scandals in every corner

This is an all American thread-Bubblehead asked his fellow American a question.

It was just my thougt as an person outside America.

Markus

Tribesman:
But still a choice.

No they don't. They can legislate taxes as SCOTUS ruled. It has been accepted for decades that premiums pay for the uninsured as well as tax payers. Knowing some are not covered enough the insurance companies judge what premiums should be. All State Car Insurance makes predictions of possible claims each year. Premiums are adjusted to cover the projected cost. If claims fall below the projected number, checks are cut to the policy holders. All State does not simply keep the cash. We don't need government to run a similar type program. And we can't simply write off those on Medicaid. It is another entitlement and no matter who is in the driver seat both always look to the tax payers to fill the void.

All well and good sir, however, we are now paying more! Yahoo! Added bonus, still getting the inferior service that is about to get worse. Would you be happy paying more for the same inferior service? What other industrialized nation pay is meaningless. The approach to HC here in the US was done backwards. Get a handle on HC cost. Reign them in. Then approach insurances for everyone.

Only if you have a "no healthcare please" tattoo on your forehead.

If, as you note, they pick up the bill, they have the right.

Some people are paying more this year, some are paying less.
Can you remind me about the legislation. How many more years does it set out as the predicted time frame for reducing costs?

How is a comparative measure meaningless?

fixed that for ya.
And the ACA is not a good bill either, its far too half arsed, and far too beholden to the industry which was running riot in the first place.

Tribesman:
As I note, the tax payers send in cash as required. Weekly and once a year. The tax are in the form of dollars. These dollars from the tax payers back the blank check they write. No sir, they do not pick up the bill. The tax payer picks up the bill.

Who is paying less? The site is down. 27k actually signed up. Probably those that never had insurance. We are not sure. The WH is not saying much of anything. Many will be paying more as a result of cancelled policies. Others will have premiums increased to cover those auto-enrolled into Medicaid. As well as those that are very sick from pre-existing conditions that now can obtain insurance. Let's also mention those with Cadillac plans will be taxed. I have yet to hear any family saving $2500/year on a family plan as peddled by POTUS. So, you questioned how many years out to predict a time frame for reducing costs? Damn fine question. Perhaps a question that should have been asked 3 years ago. Silly us for believing DC knows what they are doing. But hey, just for fun and because no one really knows how much this will cost and BO has no issue spewing the word trillion like pig caller at a hog calling contest lets just jack everyone up and hope for the best. Sound plan IMO.

Yes it is half arsed. It accomplished one thing. More riot in an industry already in a riot situation. The entire system is in utter shambles. Nice work.

Curious as to why bubs is confused about this. He should have intimate knowledge of the reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome