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Originally Posted by AngusJS
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Again, I refer to Gunnar Heihnsohn's general (and stictly empirical) work. There are differences between birthrates of certain ethnic migrants, and native europeans, as well as there are differences between social high class and social low class mothers in Germany. that'S why in general more and more social wellfare children get born
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Ok, why should anyone care? As long as they're law-abiding, why should anyone care how immigrants feel about their new country or which religion they subscribe to?
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Because we do not and must not want our homecountry being turned into an extension of their foreign place, and we also must not want to constly needing to adress special demands and special interests of a loud yelling minority that is bullying and intimidating the majorty. Abuse of the social wellfare system, lacking will of integration (even actively rejecting it), massive overrepresentation of certain (not all!) ethnicities in crime statistics (mainly Muslim ethnicities, whereas for example Japanese and Koreans are underrepresented (if standardising), all this makes a difference between muslim migration groups, and non-Muslim migration groups.
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Originally Posted by AngusJS
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If your values are so important, make laws to protect them. Until then, I don't see why other people have to follow them. And do all ethnic Germans even have the same values in the first place?
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This says a lot about you, mainly about your lack of cultural identity and awareness of the history that formed yourself and the place that raised you.
Laws we have aplenty, and we have so many that we even got losse din the junbgle of laws and have laws contradicting other laws.
Laws can get ignored, by cirminals as well as different ethnicities foeign to the ruling culture of a place. This is our home country, our history that formed it, our cultural tradition. We have the right to say it is that, and foreigners coming here have no right to demand that we must chnage it all so that it matches the demands of that foreign place they come from. That simple, either you get that, or you don't. The values of for example Pakistani culture, are values valid in pakistan. Germany or Eurppe have no obligation whatever to take them into account inside the european "home". If Pakistani moving to eurpe do nhot liike that, they are free and highly welcomed to pack their things and mve the hell out of here, back to where they came from. If their homeplace is so wonderful - why have they even come here?
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And what exactly is your way of life?
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Oh ddear, now you want us to tell you who you are, why you are that, nd where you have cokme from, eh? If you can't even see that different cultures have different ways of liing and different values that formed up during history, then it really makes no sense to discuss such thigns with you. Becasue you do not know who you are, and where you come from. no wonder that you are unable and unwilling to defend both any identity and cultural history and find it pretty much okay to embrace the foreign clture uncritically as if it were your own, since always. yu may not liike it, but there are differences between cultures. And cultures are absolutely not of the same worth when copmoared to each other. some are more precious than others, some are more humane and advanced in ethical or moral qualities than others. It is considered to be politically uncorrect to say so, but it simply is the truth.
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As to crime, I'm sure ethnic Germans account for the vast majority of it in Germany.
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that is almost discimnation hat yousay, becasue you throw all ethnicities into the same pot and label the ones that are underrepresented in crime statistics as of the same criminality than those that are overrepresented. the simple trutzh is that e have plenty of prpbpems with muslim ethnic groups, and almost none with for example Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, North or South americans, Europeans, non-Muslim Africans. There is no use in wanting to hide that. Insiders of the security sectors, from policemen to warehouse detectives, also confirm that. In the past I worked in a department store for some years, all the rehouse detecives there came from an agency that exlcusievly emplyed migrants from the middle East area strange that no German considered that to be discrimination of Germans...). Even these detectives, with whom dealt every day I were at work, and coming from places like Turkey, Syria, Iran, admitted that the difference betwene their Muslim "clients" and native germans are immense. That starts with the numerical comparison of incidents involving Muslim thives and non-Muslims thieves, and eneded with the reafiness to turn violent and use physical force to escape. for eyxaple, when they caught a native german boy or woman or whomever, they usually approached them alone, maybe in coordination with one emplyee of the department store, but usually the first approach was made by one man alone. If they saw that the deal with an ethnic boy whose looks implied that he might be from the ME region, they called at least 2 collegaues from neighbouring stores before approaching him. And I repeatedly witbessed that it all turned into a violent mess, and worst verbal insults anyway.
There are differences - and extremely significant ones. It is just not wanted to talk aboiut them - they are violating the consensus of that all emigrants are noble and valuable and respectable. But that is not true. Statistics show that, and everyday life experience shows that.
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And could environment and class be a factor in explaining the minority crime rate?
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When the author of a statistic work has statistically excluded such factors, no. But your argument gets fired nevertheless, to trouble the water and disguise unwelcomed truths in a smokescreen of distractive statements and manipulative claims.
