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Nimmo55

12-29-09 06:11 PM

MUST be real deal...

Must be the real deal....for me. 100% realism...or as close as I can make it. The first thing I'm doing with SH5 is turning OFF all the assistant stuff...

Nimmo55

Sniper297

12-30-09 01:09 AM

Just to clear up a possible (and frequent) misunderstanding, it's not an either/or thing - look at the Microsoft Flight Simulator series for the best example. Hardcore can crank the realism up to 100%, where anyone who has never flown a real life helicopter would find it impossible to hover the Bell 206 even if he tried thousands of times. The casual player wants to hover that Bell 206, he just turns the realism sliders down all the way and he can do it easily. Make any simulator as realistic as possible, the interface and physics can easily be "dumbed down" for the casual player, everyone gets what they want, everybody wins nobody loses. You have to START with realistic though, you can always dumb that down but it's impossible to "smarten it up" if you start with simple. A simulator can easily be turned into an arcade game, an arcade game cannot be turned into a simulator.

THE_MASK

12-30-09 02:27 AM

I think i am gettin it . SH5 may be more realistic with the FPS play and the talkin to the crew and all . We wont talk about the simulation side though .

LtCmdrMaverick

12-30-09 06:07 AM

I voted for 'normal Difficulty' though most of the time I play...the Real Deal. In whatever mode I never used the free cam and I dont have screenshots to prove it.

Normal i use when I maybe have an hour to play and just want to fire off a few torps, the Real Deal kicks in when I have more time available and I want to become seriously involved in the hunt.

Maverick

Sailor Steve

12-30-09 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LtCmdrMaverick (Post 1227316)

I never used the free cam and I dont have screenshots to prove it.

:rock: :rotfl2:

I love good wordplay.

Lord Justice

12-30-09 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LtCmdrMaverick (Post 1227316)

In whatever mode I never used the free cam and I dont have screenshots to prove it.

Maverick

Sir, mock bravado at its best, here here :salute:

Carotio

12-30-09 06:38 PM

I voted 3 normal.

Using free view, cause I love to look at all the eye candy.
Using auto tdc, cause I'm too lazy to fully study manual tdc, and because the captain asked his officers to do the calculations, so it doesn't hurt my realism comprehension.
Always using the units on the map.
On rare occasions, I have manned the flak gun myself just to try, and depending on the situation, I man the deck gun now and then.
I follow orders to go do what is asked for, and I always return to port at the dock.
I don't order reload of external torpedos in bad weather, meaning storm. Rain is okay.
DID? Well, I have never finished a career in either SH3 or SH4, but I think mods have more to do with that than the DID decision. I use DID, if I'm to be blamed for the death. If it's a game fault, a bad save or similar, it doesn't count in my book.

codmander

12-31-09 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1224580)

I voted 3) Normal Difficulty. Actually 4 kind of describes my attitude, but I've never been able to master manual targeting or wean myself from the external views, especially when I'm in port.

I almost never wander from my assigned grid (in SH3 - SH4 lets you request a new zone and sometimes lets you run free), even if it means getting zero tonnage for the patrol.

While I use the Weapons Officer / Auto Targeting I always take several periscope observations, which doesn't change my chances of hitting but does increase the chance of my being spotted.

I never man the deck or flak guns myself. I keep Auto Reload turned off, and never reload the torpedoes while I'm escaping (a steep dive angle could make one of those one-ton suckers break lose and go right through the hull), or while surfaced if the wind speed is more than 6. I never reload externals except at a dead stop in a dead calm sea.

I always return all the way to port and dock the boat myself.

I use SH3 Commander, and set if for 'Realistic Career Length'. I don't expect to ever go all the way through the war - I'll get promoted to a desk job long before that happens (assuming I survive that long).

And of course Dead Is Dead.

Keep praticing MTDC theres nothing better than whackin a ship from 3500 using mtdc I started by just getting in close and just using the bearing to aim as time goes by you'll add angle and range to your settings ..beleive me theres nothing better in sh3 than hitting a ship at a distance with mtdc youll amaze yourself :)

danasan

12-31-09 11:57 AM

realism

I like the intention of this thread. I would put myself in between 3 and 4 for some reasons:

"In whatever mode I never used the free cam and I dont have screenshots to prove it." Thanks for that wordplay. Hope you don't mind using it.

I can't get used to MTDC in EVERY situation and sometimes there is no second chance... but maybe that IS real life

I never do a savegame. If I go down, I go back to the start and try again. Regardless the careers state.

Let me add something to the realism - thing. Impressing to me, some words from another (wiser) guy than me. Hope, I can translate the sense.

As far as a simulation goes, you can't add two options.

1. The fear of death

2. The causing of human tragedy

Just my two cents

danasan

sharkbit

12-31-09 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danasan (Post 1228124)

As far a as simulation goes, you can't add two options.

1. The fear of death

2. The causing of human tragedy

Just my two cents

danasan

Nicely put.
I think we all would act a little different if every decision you made meant life and death.

Welcome aboard. :salute:

:)

THE_MASK

12-31-09 04:37 PM

Does it need to be a pure simulation to feel real ?

danasan

12-31-09 05:09 PM

I'd put it the other way round: If it feels realistic, the SIM can't be that bad. But that is some kind of philosophy...

V.C. Sniper

12-31-09 05:17 PM

Real deal = 100% realism no extern cam or map update

Sailor Steve

12-31-09 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danasan (Post 1228124)

I never do a savegame. If I go down, I go back to the start and try again. Regardless the careers state.

That's interesting. I save all the time, mainly because when SH3 was new it had the habit of crashing every time I sank a ship. I also can't always finish a session before I have to be somewhere.

As for going back to the beginning, I do that every time some new mod comes out that changes the way the harbors look, or sometimes my boat. In AOD and SH1 I got into the habit of running simultaneous careers from each available base or flotilla, and I continue that to this day. If one of my captains dies, I start a new career, but in the same month rather than back at the beginning of the war.

danasan

12-31-09 06:22 PM

quote:

Originally Posted by danasan http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif
I never do a savegame. If I go down, I go back to the start and try again. Regardless the careers state.

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I've got an older machine running XP / SH3 only. SH runs stable since the first day. I once put LSH3 V 4 on it. It runs stable since the first day. I once put WAC 4.1 on it. That is definitely the limit of graphics of that machine. Sometimes it waits for a week or so in the Taskbar for being reactivated. I did not change or add any other mod. Alter some sounds OK. If I have to shut down the machine, I have to save the game, of course. It is a technical limitation. But I never roll back after a killing... That would be some kind of cheating. Nothing to be honored for, in my opinion.

All the best for the new year. It's on now here...

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