I tried that. The thread was shut down by Marc Schwanebeck.

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You can back up your SH3 disk. Do what I did - buy a second copy. I now have a perfectly legal back up disk.
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Bah, beery... bith all due respect :D , i think you are trying to NOT understand what he meant to say.

I AM on my second Disk already, girlfriend Fubared my first one ( altho she knows my PC is absolutely NO-GO for her:arrgh!: - dum streetwalker she was)

so had i had a backup, i d have had 50 more bucks by now. :(

and i could have made a backup of the backup, in order to keep playing a sim i PAYD for.

I'm certainly NOT trying to misunderstand him. I simply don't agree with him. If I'm misunderstanding him it's because of his command of the English language. It's certainly not caused by an attempt on my part to cloud the issue, and I must admit I resent the implication. Contrary to your assertion, such an implication conveys no respect whatsoever.

I realise that computer games are hard on those who are on a limited budget, but the harsh reality is that this is a luxury industry, and the manufacturers, recognising this, have constructed their products so that if you want a legal back-up, you have to buy a second disk. If both are destroyed you buy a third, and a fourth or fifth if necessary. The manufacturers recognise that their customer base has the discretionary income to do this. Anyway, if it's a good product you should be happy to support the developer. If you can't afford to spend that much to support a developer, you probably shouldn't be wasting hard-earned money on computer games in the first place. Computer gaming is, after all, a rich person's sport, and we live in a capitalist world, not a socialist utopia.

If people enjoy the game, the last thing they should do is pirate a back-up copy. Simulation games are going through a dry patch at the moment, and good quality games like SH3 deserve our support. If it's a great game, we should do what we can to support it by buying the game when we need to play it. Over the years I've played hundreds of games. When a CD or DVD stops working, I use a disk restorer on it, and if that fails to get it in working order I buy the game again (just as I do with music CDs or videos). Given the hundreds (sometimes thousands) of hours of fun I get from a good game, if I spend much more than $40 on the game, it's money well-spent as far as I'm concerned, even if I have to buy a game over and over again.

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Hear, hear!
One more supporter here, Beery. And we'll let them know...

Yawn.

That argument makes no sense.

I bought it. I own it. I'm within my legal rights to make a copy. (A corporation need not make it easy or possible to copy, though.)

Offering your rights to corporations on a platter seems like a poor plan to me.

Fatalism!

From my sources, it appears Mr. Schwanebeck is the graphics designer for the Seewolves case design- his company is listed as cogwheel designs http://cogwheeldesigns.com/, which is hosted through www.mustart.de

Whether or not this points to Mr. Schwanebeck's culpability, or Matrix Games' complicity, remains to be see; perhaps Abraham the Lawgiver :P can comment...but it certainly disqualifies Schwanebeck as a disinterested party, and he should be dismissed from any discussion at Matrix Games due to his bias in this matter. The plot thickens...

Hello beery,

yes, you are right, my english skills are no soo good, but i hope people can understant me.....

I am sorry, but with all the respect due to you and your fantastic participation in the community, i must speak out again :

First, sorry, but "fair used" is completely out of the scope in France. We are ruled by some laws called "les droits d'auteurs". Mainly, those laws forbide anyone ( including distributors) to modify/change/add any original creations. So, in french legal terms, modding a games is illegal... but, the authors needs to specificaly suit modders... and they don't do it (most of the time).

Second, lets me explain why i feel unconfortable about the fact i am not able to do a personnal backup of a legally purchased games.
- The so called betamax ruling from the US was used by french lawmakers to allow any individual the right to do a backup copy, or to ask the distributor the posibility to have ONE free reimplacement of the digital media. This right is outruled by distributor, like ubisoft. They charges you a very small amount of money to exchanges the destroyed media, but they charges you ! So the french law is not respected ...

- Second thing (technical stuff here): on the dvd release, directly on the media, there is a markup saying [dvd-disk CompactDisk]. The so call compact disk is a "technical format" (excuse my english here, i wish to say is like a codec or so ...) wich is rules by a technical summary called "white" - "bleue" - "red" book. I am not going to lunch another endless thread about the starforce protective system, but the technical layer of the bleue book is complety outruled by it because the bleue book is specificaly saying two things
- one: the media don't need a particular hardware to be read.
- two: the media don't need a particular hardware to be copied.



Anyway, i respect the fact that you don't agree with me. But, i hope you will agree this is a shame to pay two license just in order to have a backup.

Games one cost you : development+media+others cost. WICH IS FULLY NORMAL.
Backup should cost you only the media prices.

What is abnormal, is the fact you are overcharged here, and that NO MONEY AT ALL is going back to the developpers.

Understant my point here. The prices of the media alone is not 49.99 Euros. Its more like 0.75 euros, buying two disk just make the distrubutors richer.

Don't be fooled by my point here, I totaly respect the fact we must support developpers of good games. But as you say, we don't live in utopia. I am personaly working in the developpment fields of software, and I can swear that when a contract is sign, no matter 100 copy or 200 copy are sell, the developpers team is not going to earn more money than the contract bargain. You have to be lucasart people to get money based on selling volums.

If you search a proof of my assertion, just check what happend to the people of Elixir Studio, the maker of Evil Genius. This game was a hit. But, has Elixir was a kind of "startup" studio, they get just a small contract. Vivendi Universal, the distributor has make a real good money selling the games, while Elixir had to go to bankrupcy and is now dead.



So again, i am not happy to see my son scratching my sh3 disk, i am not happy to have to spend again some money to buy another full game while i just need a media backup, i am not happy to see laws not respected, i am not happy to see technical regulation not respected .......



..... NOW, the final words are maybee the most important here/
I am happy to play sh3, i am happy to share my ideas with you, even if we don't agree on everything....

Mais, UBISOFT c'est une compagnie Francaise, non? (pardonnez-mois, c'est longtemps que j'ai parle avec quelqu'un francophone :D ). Donc, c'est contre la loi de votre pays ca que UBISOFT as fait. Il faut que UBISOFT donne un autre copie pour chaque personne qui as achete cette jeu, si je vous comprends?

Bonjour, si tu le permet, je vais traduire ton arguti et continuer en englais pour que les autres puissent comprendre...


Ok, shadow argued that ubisoft is a french company, and his right.

So, how comes a french company end up not respecting the law of his own country...

Well, quiet easily. They just ask you to contact a support company ... witch end up to be a so called sas company, establish out of france... so, in fact, ubisoft is simply sending you to a non-french company ....

If you think supporting good developers is 'offering up our rights on a platter', then maybe you'd rather folks like X1 (the pirates) benefit.

As I understand it, you're not. You only bought a license to play the game. You don't own the game itself.

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Removed or locked?
If it was locked, we could make a few postings one after another with quotes to get the news out and get others involved. I already registered on their forum just for the occasion.

Do you suppose Matrix is aware of their employee's "moonlighting" for X1? Interesting situation....if they are aware that X1 has pirated material (which they no doubt are) and if they are aware that their employee is working for X1, then they are a willing party to the misguided venture that is Seewolves- which makes them just as culpable as X1- is that essentially correct Abraham?

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One of the threads was locked, the other was removed.