Been reading again what CCIP has said.

Now the White House is trying to block Russia's entry to the WTO, bmainly due to concerns about "democracy" and human rights.

Then again look at China, ah but the US has a massive deficit with China so that should make sense.

The more Russia is backed into a corner the more belligerent she will become and come out fighting in one way or another. Also the more she will stick two fingers up to everyone else.

In some ways kind of like the kid at school who is shoved about, and made fun of who then works out and comes back and starts to throw his weight around.

Cheyney hasn't helped matters.....

Seriously we should get the world leaders in a room together and start banging heads....

Well dont tell bush but Putin is black belt in judo

Should be intresting seeing putin is same build as me lmao

Don't expect some deep intellectual comment here :lol: It just was an ironical stab at recent political events in italy - around berlusconi not willing to accept his defeat, and when he did, Prodi having extremely difficulties to see his candidates through election procedures in parliament, while Berlusconi's buddies voting with empty billets. also - how many governments have there been in italy since WWII? And how long do they usually survive, in mean? :-j

China wants energy, India wants energy, iran wants nuclear energy and weapons - Iran has oil, Russia has oil and gas and nuke tech. Dear america or europe: piss the Russians - and guess whom they will do business with, then? :lol: Neither the US nor Europe has the means to put threatening pressure on Russia. Cheney is an idiot. What he will acchieve by that confronting course is only: Russian oil and gas to China, to India, russian nuke tech to Iran, Iranian oil to china and India, military aid from India and China and Russia to Iran...and even more resistance from China and Russia towards any action concerning Iran. Those three are a natural alliance, and their interests mutually fit. Try piss the Russian, and all three will hang a sign on their door: "Do not disturb".

Unique style, Dick! One stupid move of yours, and several objectives of your intended plans lost. You should be prevented from using fork and knife for dinner: you're probbaly hurting your table neighbours with it, and yourself.

No matter if Iran, or China, or Islam: to solve all these problems and crisis depends on the fulfillment of one and the same most essential and vital precondition: becoming independend from Islamic and Russian energy ressources. As long as this precodntion is not successfully fulfilled, all this diplomatic threatening, and sabre-rattling, is just meaningless babbling. The only one who are impressed are the ones who do the babbling.

The only thing they will achieve by boycotting Russia is a slap in the face litteraly, as skybird said if russia cant trade with america plenty of other people willing to pay that bit more so it boosts russia's economy and helps it grow and where will that leave europe and america up a creek without a paddel.

America should just protect it's borders and screw everyone else.

Apparently we can do no right in the eyes of the Europeans anyways, so maybe you're right.

That's a true American speaking roll up the carpet and stuff the rest of the world. ;)

make no mistake, against the people of america i have nothing at all, i like them. its your terrorist government that keeps killing people in middle east that i have problem with, and so do millions of people.. :down:

Yeah, I recall what happened the last time you guys did that, Japan came out to play.

And then they nuked it. :dead:

And your people would run your economy and drive all your big cars exclusively with oil from Alaska, exhausted Texas, heavily oil-depleted Mexican gulf and Canadian oil-sand? :lol: That's as unlikely as as tempo-limit on Germany's Autobahn! :-j

In one thing America and Europe are in the same boat: the need of gaining independence from foreign energy ressources, especially Muslim oil. This is key to a whole lot of security-, energy-, economy- and policy-problems. Fail in this, and all these fields will be screwed, completely. We must become independend from their damn oil, even if this means to deal brutally with those econimocal and poltical circles in our middles who made their wealth by cooperating with these outside factions and thus will set up a fight, will lie and betray to defend the status quo. We need to get rid of these "traitors" as well. We can't afford to tolerate this lobby anymore.

This is correct. The only thing that will solve the West's problems with terrorism and the Middle East is to pull out of the area. The only thing keeping the West in there is oil, and it is a big thing. Energy independence is the only solution.

No choice in the matter.

There is always a choice. ;)

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Putin in Sochi said today that he sees Russia peaceful and prosperous because he has no aim of declaing the world as its area of 'interest', no aim of starting inernational wars and no aim of spreading 'religion' around the world. Further more, he said he is not going to overreact to unfriendly gestures of American satelite countries.


I think Russia is not going to meddle into world politics in a way US does, but that it has enough natural and intellectual reserves to be self sufficient from either US or Europe.

Besides, in Europe, Germany and France and Italy are the ones who decided, and Finland perhaps too, and they are very friendly with Russia as they are all partners in gas trade and oil. As far as Germany is concerned, I think, POland and other countries making a stink about pipelines, etc, can just bugger off.

You're right but suffering 2 million casualties taking the Japanese home islands by conventional means, versus nuking them into submission is not much of a choice.

when you are an american, that's true and makes perfect sense. I'm sure those who got nuked understood that as well, then again this isn't about that over here. Just about a precident.

Conventional bombs would have done the trick better than a nuke, it may have taken longer but doing that to un armed civilians and childern as well as women is just not right if japan had won the war i would of liked to think they would have massacred all of american service men children.

I mean whats good for the goose is good for the gander isnt it? they did it to them why shouldnt they do it to you?

precisely why soviets waged the war they way they did agains nazi germany and her allies.

It's more to do with the Soviet Union did not sign some legal papers; I forget what they were called something to do with the League of Nations. Something about the conduct of war, Germany did sign the papers but Hitler took the attitude why should I honour the protocol as Russia did not sign them that explains why the Eastern Front was a bloodbath.

As for the Japan issue America must have been sicken by their war loses from the Island hopping campaign, I do agree on the first bomb but Japan should have been given more time to bring about the end of their war before dropping the second one.