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I created a proxy clone unit with its own texture files, but sharing gr2 model with original, and put it right next to original. Results: - if original doesn't have texture specified in its roster file but clone does, both ships assume clone's texture - if both ships have texture specified in roster files, they both assume original's texture - it neither has texture specified in roester file, same as above - both assume original's texture. So whatever is in roster file takes priority over texture specified in gr2 file, but anyway game seems to only check once per gr2 file and settle for one texture for all units using this model. Which is a bummer. Now, someone maybe should check this in campaign as well, since in single missions there's some weird things going with textures anyway (like ships having winter decals even if scenario takes place in June near equator). |
Convoy SL.38 July 1940
https://i.imgur.com/Hal3oWo.png?1 Thomas Holt / J. Holt & Co, Liverpool.................................................. .. https://i.imgur.com/xy5oV7p.png
https://i.imgur.com/Kh7j5e6.png Nela / Royal Mail Lines, London.................................................. .......... https://i.imgur.com/4yzD1iy.png https://i.imgur.com/OSDmIOK.png Silvercedar / Silver Line, London.................................................. ........ https://i.imgur.com/u658ANp.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/tMSLwvm.gif?1 https://i.imgur.com/3715uj1.png Clan Cameron / The Clan Line Steamers, Glasgow................................... https://i.imgur.com/sWAftod.png https://i.imgur.com/BK8JHvB.png Cefn-y-Bryn / Cook Shipping Co. - Ambrose, Davies & Matthews, London... ? https://i.imgur.com/0z51yPC.png Pontypridd / Pontypridd Steamship Co. - Morel Ltd, London...................... https://i.imgur.com/zuoiaaq.png https://i.imgur.com/TV0Cxie.png Nebraska / Royal Mail Lines, London.................................................. ... https://i.imgur.com/4yzD1iy.png https://i.imgur.com/st12veC.png Harmatris / Willis Steamship Co - J. & C. Harrison, London....................... https://i.imgur.com/leknwgV.png https://i.imgur.com/XzJwbj4.png Telesfora De Larrinaga / Larrinaga Steamship Co, Liverpool...................... https://i.imgur.com/mI8EX1r.png https://i.imgur.com/mzR1ztJ.png British Genius / British Tanker Co, London............................................. https://i.imgur.com/ctHBGmG.png https://i.imgur.com/Uf5UHOi.png City of Shanghai / Ellerman's Hall Line (Sun Shipping Co.), Liverpool......... https://i.imgur.com/xgeS6Ft.png https://i.imgur.com/FB0cJkd.png Algenib / N.V Van Nievelt, Goudriaan & Co. Stoomvaart Mij, Rotterdam...... https://i.imgur.com/9sV4ste.png https://i.imgur.com/aFzznQ7.png Birchbank / Bank Line - Andrew Weir & Co, London................................. https://i.imgur.com/mLb84D5.png https://i.imgur.com/NWl4HON.png Pearlmoor / Moor Line - Runciman Shipping Co, Newcastle-upon-Tyne........ https://i.imgur.com/2b1Fr7v.png https://i.imgur.com/kKa0KMS.png Tribesman / Charente Steamship Co - T. & J. Harrison, Liverpool............... https://i.imgur.com/igNb8sc.png |
Convoy SL.38 July 1940 (continued)
https://i.imgur.com/WeNVsHa.png Haughton Hall / Charles G. Dunn Shipping Co, Liverpool.......................... https://i.imgur.com/EuXGBPr.png
https://i.imgur.com/mj72du6.png Thalatta / Wilh. Wilhelmsen, Tønsberg .................................................. https://i.imgur.com/ywy1k5g.png https://i.imgur.com/GaFmcHm.png Dagrun / A/S Ocean - John P. Pedersen & Son, Oslo................................ https://i.imgur.com/AyFYExn.png https://i.imgur.com/M1h3JNW.png City of Guildford / Ellerman's Hall Line (Sun Shipping Co.), Liverpool......... https://i.imgur.com/xgeS6Ft.png https://i.imgur.com/eyxCXfB.png Dumfries / B.J. Sutherland & Co, Newcastle-upon-Tyne............................ https://i.imgur.com/Ve7Z1hP.png https://i.imgur.com/fy02NEF.png Suecia / Rederi A/B Nordstjernan - A.A. Johnson, Stockholm.................... https://i.imgur.com/HVuy75f.png https://i.imgur.com/FFc067X.png Randfontein / Vereenigde Nederlansche Scheepvaart Mij, Den Haag.......... https://i.imgur.com/CXYtyXI.png https://i.imgur.com/DQ1sBxL.png Halizones / British & S. American St. Nav. Co. - Houston Line, Liverpool..... https://i.imgur.com/TCAUZfH.png https://i.imgur.com/vOhgtyt.png Congonian / United Africa Co, London.................................................. . ? https://i.imgur.com/dgsK418.png Cape Race / Lyle Shipping Co, Glasgow.................................................. https://i.imgur.com/yTKOILD.png https://i.imgur.com/XP4Wc0c.png Statira / Chellew Steamship Management Co - F.C. Perman, London.......... https://i.imgur.com/GqHZYzq.png https://i.imgur.com/p5GRP09.png Laplace / Lamport & Holt Line, Liverpool................................................ https://i.imgur.com/5aQaF6H.png https://i.imgur.com/4Kw2Q4b.png Serbino / Ellerman's Hall Line (Sun Shipping Co.), Liverpool..................... https://i.imgur.com/xgeS6Ft.png https://i.imgur.com/i3dVaew.png Ramon de Larrinaga / Larrinaga Steamship Co, Liverpool......................... https://i.imgur.com/mI8EX1r.png https://i.imgur.com/iQS0rnL.png Lima / Rederi A/B Nordstjernan - A.A. Johnson, Stockholm....................... https://i.imgur.com/HVuy75f.png |
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Nice work gap. Very few ships are painted all grey. But something is interesting : it seems that buff superstructures are part of the camouflage system. Indeed, look at the tanker British Genius : original funnel colors are not buff. Maybe it was because grey paint was in short supply, and they used buff paint to do the rest... Another fun fact : the hull has a camo pattern.
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Here are a few pictures for visual reference: I think similar markings are also visible on the hull of Kors Holm in the drawings of the 1941 Convoy that you have studied. Quote:
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Why wearing neutrality marks while sailing into an allied convoy ? :k_confused:
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Probably Vecko has already done something similar for TWoS. |
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When I created the "Free" nations I had exactly those "ambiguous" diplomatic stances in mind. Nonetheless, more recently, I came to realize that the said nations were poorly implemented in game, or not used at all. I will give you an example. The FreeAmerican nation was created for allowing the implementation of Neutrality Patrols, but I think they were never actually added to the campaign. IIRC, the last time I checked the FreeAmerican roster it was empty. Several months ago I discussed the topic with Vecko, and I think that the shortcomings were amended at least in part. I say "at least in part" because the last time I offered to cooperate with him on those aspects of the OHII/TWoS campaign he gently refused my proposal, and then he came up with his own changes, so now I am unsure on which features were implemented according to my original idea and which not. I hope I made myself clearer now :salute: |
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As for things being not / not fully implemented, the more I look into campaign files the more I see how much it could be still improved regarding historical accuracy. A pity there's not nearly enough modders interested in SH5 to do it all. |
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Why not set the USA in allied side sooner, as you did first (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...&postcount=398), it's a good idea, and no need to add additional (virtual) free country :
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Perhaps the admiralty hoped that at a distance enemy vessels would be unsure of whether or not a ship spotted in daylight was neutral or not - as opposed to full camo, which would often be visible anyway and would give away a ship as probably British. This would probably be the best choice without painting on fake neutral hull flags/funnel colors, which would have caused protest from neutral nations.... Interesting photos of colored sketches below, showing how ship camouflage changed from WWI - they are of the standard "War" class merchantman "War Drake" in 1918 and the long bridge deck merchant "Clearpool". It seems they decided in WW2 that the complicated dazzle camouflage was not very effective. In peacetime "Clearpool" would have had green funnel with a checkered red emblem, grey-green or bright green hull, huge "billboard" lettering on the hull, and brown+white deckhouses (like "Danby" from the same company): https://i.postimg.cc/90twXV51/Mercha...-Ship-1918.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/br3Rcjzt/Mercha...r-Shipping.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3NhRZ5hP/8158d4...A29289-141.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/28zybD2W/Danby-j.jpg |
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