While this is a failure by the federal government, it cannot be laid at the feet of Obama. Sure I don't like the guy, but the facts are that these counties have been "danger zones" since 2006 - and nothing has been done. Sure, one could argue he hasn't done anything about it, but its not like he was on watch when it turned this direction.

He is still responsible for maintaining sovereignty, or in this case - reasserting it - but to claim he is the one that ceded the de facto control over is false.

The NRA is going to kick your ass for that statement, its an infringement:yeah:
If you are going to infringe on citizens gun rights to tackle possible armed crime in one place then how long till you infringe on citizens rights everywhere? after all a pile of murders in Mexico related to drugs is not all that different to a pile of murders in Michigan related to drugs.

Yeah, after all its not like there are hundreds of cases where people screw up very badly on those points.
Which is just as well as if the really completely unprecedented mistake did happen it could work out very very very expensive.

if you ask me Mr. Obama is all kinda wrong, this is yet again another instance where he has proven to america that it was really one big freaking mistake to vote him into office. this whole Arizona thing just burns me smooth up, i cant believe THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA would give some of Americas land to the freaking illegal aliens because he doesn't want to deal with it being dangerous. instead he wants to hide in his office and not do a dang thing. He needs to get up off his butt grow him a pair and do something about this. Its insane!!!

Welcome... well thats Obama, and just about every other country now days. Trying to deal with everything nice and sweet... Things could be used to stop/help out, but we dont want to offend anyone.

God forbid we actually hurt somebody's precious feelings, particularly those who would do us harm anyway. Where's John Wayne when you need him. :shifty:

Welcome aboard, warbird. :arrgh!:

Was Bush the wrong kinda president too then, as warning signs have been in existance for years?
So as two of Arizonas national monuments, a wildlife refuge and a national forest all have had these kind of warning signs for ages and as this story is only a matter of a couple more signs being added at one of those locations after a policeman was murdered doesn't it make the sensationalist angle of the news story which people are getting upset about pretty bogus.

To put it in picture:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/slinnavu/va...mmigration.gif

^^ Oh snap! :har:

PWNED!!!!

Also walls don't work. Had they had UAVs back then there would be no "colonies"

yes i suppose you are right!!! i was just making a point on how Obama promised us all of this great stuff and we have not seen none of it. he is a habitual liar, there are two kinds of people i cant stand in this world and those are liars and thief's and there aint much difference in the two and to me Mr. Obama is both.

Let's elect Kim Jong Il next time. He is so much better at treating people right. :yeah:

He is a politician, its part of the job description.

One of the truest statements yet about politicians :DL

They all lie through their teeth, doesn't matter what side of spectrum they come from.

Or country :DL

It's like salesmen. The only question is: Do you have to be that way to get the job, or does it come with on-the-job-training?

Nicely done, except that it negates the historical reality that the "Indians" were not one group - as "Americans" are SUPPOSED to be. There was no central government at all, it was tribal and there was no common culture or language between the tribes nationally. The differences - historically speaking - are vast. But truth rarely gets in the way of emotionalist sensationalism now does it?

However, it is true that Europe in essence invaded both North and South America. While it was not intended to be an invasion, the end result turned into one.