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cool, you just solved a problem, here's some intel now from torpedoman Smith :
"The Taku’s ordnance included 13 torpedos, 6 in the bow tubes with 4 reloads in the forward torpedo space, a port beam tube and a starboard beam tube. These torpedos fired at an angle and after a certain distance turned either right or left (depending which tube) so that you hoped to hit a target at the side of you. We found these tubes were unreliable though and were reluctant to use them. Then we had a stern tube and it’s obvious why. Apart from this armament, we had a 4 inch gun mounted on a platform ahead of the bridge. This could be trained right or left because it was on a swivel. Last but not least we had two Lewis guns which could be mounted either side of the bridge for firing mainly at aircraft but normally if enemy aircraft was spotted we would get the order - “Dive! Dive! Dive!” " I imported the 4inchsingle gun and cover : http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4...tandgunyd8.jpg close-up : http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/3...hturretmo7.jpg from under : http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1...omunderfg6.jpg http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1...bbe52f911a.jpg |
New Class T 13 tubes
OK, I couldn't resist !:rotfl:
Since the first class had all 10 tubes forward and the next two had only 8 forward and 3 aft, I made a mixed class with 10 tubes forward and 3 aft :rotfl: http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4...bescavamd5.jpghttp://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6...ubesbowgz5.jpg http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6...3f17170fac.jpg off course if we make them non-reloadable, that's only 17 torpedoes total : six in tubes plus 4 reloads, and 7 external tubes. |
Different sub models
So we have 3 classes which basically differ only in the tubes they had, so it's really two different boats :
Class T 1 : 6+2 2 amidship 0 amidship aft 0 aft Class T 2: 6+2 0 amidship 2 amidship aft 1 aft from the recollection of M. Smith a third class ? Class T 1b : 6+2 2 amidship 0 amidship aft 1 aft Class T 1b: http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7...bow1aftuw5.jpg the three different subs : http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3...sst11b2ah9.jpg http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3...775c3c433c.jpg |
According to H.T. Lenton's "British Submarines", the first group had ten 21-inch torpedo tubes; all fired forward, four were external tubes- two amidships and two forward. Sixteen torpedoes were carried, ten in the tubes and six reloads for the six internal tubes. The second and third groups had eleven tubes, an external stern tube being added. Seventeen torpodoes were carried, eleven in the tubes plus six reloads for the internal tubes. The amidships external tubes were relocated and arranged to fire aft. Additionally, some of the first group had an external stern tube fitted later on, though the midships external tubes remained forward-firing.
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Having ten tubes I should really do the class T version 1 : all tubes forward
If I do the Zwaardvisch, it'll lack one tube aft ? If we manage to "add" a tube we'll be able to add more than one and do more sub classes... hopefully someone will find out how.. |
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The Group III Boats had exactly the same armament as the Group II Boats, But had better internal structure and welded hulls that gave them an increased crush depth and stuff like that
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Doing a first group T-class would mean relocating the port and starboard aft externals to their correct positions to either side of the conning tower, plus remodelling the bows and shortening the deck casing aft to be 100% accurate.
Personally, I'd allocate tubes 1-10 to the eight forward tubes plus the port and starboard aft tubes and leave the sub as third group. Adding the eleventh tube later will probably be just a matter of coding and simpler than remodelling the sub I would think. I have a book about the sinking of HMS Thetis in June 1939 while on trials in Liverpool Bay, "The Admiralty Regrets....." which contains a few photos which might be useful. Will scan and post them later. |
is this going to be playable? if so when is it going to be released
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playable ?
@ ivank : well that's the whole point really ;) one can always make it an AI sub later on !
It's already stand alone, meaning it doesn't replace any US boat. It has a Balao interior and gun. The textures need some work, other than that it's playable. @ GerritJ9 : about the tubes, I completely agree. I can always fit them in front of the tower later on. I have a problem with the gun though : the original GFX gun is a 3 inch, when the boat really had a 4 inch gun. If I add the turret to the 4 inch gun, all boat which use it will have it :down: So I thought about removing the gun stand from the turret, adding the turret to the conning tower, thus making it non movable. What do you think, here's a pic : http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5...erngun2nz2.jpg I edited the .dat and .sim so that the last two tubes would turn around and fire forward (fingers crossed can't check it here...) leaving two aft tubes (untill the last one can be fitted). Still looking on how to make those two non reloadable tubes. Increased the surfaced range to 11000 miles as per data I found. |
What about using the unshielded 4-inch gun from the Clemson destroyer? If this won't work, the IXD2 105 mm might be an alternative. Just a few quick thoughts on alternatives.
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will do.
wip : the occlusion map for both types of hull (ver 1b and ver 3) are ready, so is the tower occlu, here is the whole occlu for the Class T ver 1b : http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7...apver1bfr7.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7...7ceda306ba.jpg |
Re the model of 1b: the external tubesshould be mounted on either side of the conning tower, not as far forward as in the pic of the model.
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I know... just that at first I had only written info, and it was easier to place them at the mirror position they occupied aft but this time up front...
will change that ;) |
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Looks great guys! Can't wait to take her under!
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First pic shows Thetis being launched at Birkenhead shipbuilders Cammell Lairds; second pic shows her wreck after she was salvaged following her sinking while on trials in Liverpool Bay on June 1st 1939. Of the 103 on board, only four survived- probably the RN's worst submarine accident in peacetime. The large number on board was because of the trials, apart from trhe sub's crew there were representatives from Cammell Lairds, various subcontractors and several officers from other T-class subs which were being built at that time.
After salvage, Thetis was repaired and renamed Thunderbolt, only to be sunk a second time, in March 1943 by the Italian sloop Cigogna north of Sicily. |
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