Start the damnation then. :rotfl:

I'm not advocating anything at all in my post but trying to express how Ahmadinejad could seek evidence to try to prove that the Apocalypse is imminent (a matter of years) and change his actions and perspectives accordingly with that in mind. Are you familiar with the Apocalypse? I do not know if this has survived at all in post-Khomeini Iran but in traditional Islam Jesus is a saviour of the Muslims too, the Armageddon cannot be fought by the Muslims. All Muslim soldiers who join to fight on Satan's side are not Muslims any longer. Anyway, if the Apocalypse is imminent then pieces of paper have no value at all as soon as, damn I can't avoid it, all hell breaks loose. :rotfl:

So considering Ahmadinejad is certain of this but also that he's on Allah's side, how would he triumph over the multiple enemies without nuclear weapons, especially if the enemies do have them? In this sense he would be correct to see whoever proposes nuclear disarmament as a servant of the devil, preparing the path to his destruction, and would certainly use all diplomacy as a theatrical play while secretly attempting to acquire nuclear weapons.

That's what I tried to say. I thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt but chances are you haven't misread anything, most likely I have failed to express myself clearly enough.

Now if you ask me what I think of all of this, I say again: I think Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and whoever else shares the same vision are wrong. Starting by the most important element, the prophecies. Ignoring the content itself which do have a great weight on the scale, a prophecy can generally be considered to be certain the longer it has remained true, as generally speaking again many prophecies can be true only untill further notice. Example? Iraq. The Gulf wars are considered as evidence. But who said there won't be a third Gulf War? Or a fourth one? Who said that this war is the war of the prophecy? As unfair a comparison as it may be, compared to the American continent the Middle East is a very hot war zone indeed. In 2400 years power has shifted multiple times, conquerors came and left, kingdoms and nations were born, destroyed, transformed, people changed, migrated, disappeared. All more true then? Only that indeed it is very likely for the Armageddon to take place in Middle East as another but last war. But given the amount of conflicts it's extremely difficult not to say impossible to accurately pin-point it: this is the fulfilment of the prophecy. Untill further notice.

The rest is all non-sense. Forcing things to be true, ignoring facts, liying, it's a big sandbox with adults trying to fit the red square object through the blue-cylinder hole. Minus the innocence, it is done with malice. http://www.exceptionalteaching.net/grp1.html

What about Mr. Avigdor Lieberman

What about the fact that the PLO and Hamas charters, in existance way before Avigdor Lieberman even arrived in Israel, call for the destruction of Israel?

A case of putting the cart before the horse, perhaps? Who needs context!

Crazy bald heads.

War, war, war.

The Israeli government is just as crazy as the Palestinians, by the way.

Oh, they're crazy alright but I'd still like to know from you how so?

Just answered SD's question.

Let me remind you that Lieberman is not an Israeli PM but a parliament seta holder and political party leader.

So, no, you have yet to answer SD's question. :nope:

You crack me up Kiwi...lol. WTH is that all about lol? Crazy Bald Heads...are you talking about Buddahist Monks?

Deputy prime minister, isn't that enough?

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Avigdor Lieberman

That's enough. :yep:

I lost track which idiot they gave the job to this time. The last idiot that has the job was Shimon Peres. The prior idiot I recall having the job was Ehud Olmert a few years ago.

Succession.

:hmm: :oops:

I'm just waiting for Von_Capo's response. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

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In general, a bit of responsability and moderation comes with the job of Prime Minister (or President, in nations with the Presidential system).
Avigdor Lieberman is in my view a lunatic, infected by the same virus that earlier created Hezbollah and Hamas.
However, Lieberman is not much more than democratic proof that there is a faction of fanatics in Israel too. He'll never lead the country, because the people of Israel are - given the circumstances - on average moderate and very democratic minded.

I consider the case of Ahmadinejad far more serious.
Iran is by no means a real democracy, but far closer to a dictatorial theocracy. 'Herr' Ahmadinejad openly speaks of "wiping Israel off the face of the earth" and he or his successor might in a couple of years have the means to make his sick dream come true.
What would stop him?
A supervising fundamentalistic Shi'ite council?
A sudden streak of humanism or moderation?
An Act of God?
Decisive diplomatic action from the West and/or the major world powers? Decisive military action from the West?
From the U.S.?
From Israel?
Keep sitting on your hands hardly seems an option for the world, especially for Israel and the U.S., unless the lessons taught 70 years ago by that other 'Herr' are forgotten...

By the way, I don't see any advocacy for 'Muslim Nuking' in this thread.

Well constructed post and right on the mark. :yep: Oh and by the way, welcome back sir. :up:

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Thanks, thanks!

Please explain the "virus infection" thingy.

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I'll try to do so.
You wrote as an answer to Fish's earlier posting:
I was mildly critical towards Fish's posting and by stating that Lieberman was infected by the same virus that earlier created Hezbollah and Hamas I tried to put the horse before the cart, as you suggested.
:D

The virus I meant was the PREFAT-virus, very active in especially the Middle East. (PREFAT= Political/Religious Extremism, Fanatism And Terrorism).
If you don't actively fight it, it may hit you and it is a long term killer (works through generalions...)

If this quote by Fish is correct - and I have no reason to doubt that - the man is clearly infected.
By the way, drowning people in the Dead Sea is far from easy, given the buoyancy of its very salty water. The Dead Sea was probably only chosen by Mr. Lieberman because of its name.

Here is the original Ha'aretz article. I don't have time now to google in Hebrew to follow up on the accuracy and context of the quote. Note the beginning of the article can't get the quote straight to begin with. Doesn't anyone know exactly what Lieberman said? :hmm: Again, googling in Hebrew will help but no time.
I have no problem with this quote, true or not.
Considering that Israel does not allow capital punishment, you should get an idea of the level of rhetoric Lieberman uses liberally. His essential point is that Arab Knesset members have indeed shown themselves to be literally traitors in word and deed at times of war. Not too far-fetched.

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Rethorics (or demagogism) - as history has shown - is one of the most dangerous ways of infecting masses with the PREFAT-virus.