LITTLE? LITTLE? You can GW little? You'd better hide from Kpt. Lehmann.

Good, atleast we agree on something.

Of all the Silent Hunter III players, how many go to the main site?
Of the people who go to the main site, how many go to SubSim?
Of the people who go to SubSim, how many visit the forums?
Of the people who visit the forums, how many discover the super-mods?
Of the people who discover the super-mods, how many download them?

I'm completely at a loss to explain why you tag the "so-called" prefix onto "stolen", in the face of all the evidence available that they are, indeed, stolen.

Again you fail to address the real issue. No one's complaining that their mod "was found worthy of being included". They're upset because the mod was stolen from them.

I hope you get your probs sorted.like someone suggested ages ago try and contact the people who released the expansion.
As you can see this subject is a sore point with the community.I do not wish to get involved in another X-1 thread as i have made my personal oppinions on this subject quite clear in other threads.

I think we're fighting a losing battle with this one, guys. All the evidence is available for anyone to look at and reach their own conclusions.

We've all reached our conclusion and we will stand our ground in the face of these "expansion pack's" way of 'getting' things done.:nope:

We are all in danger of being dragged into another lengthy discussion/argument about the rights and wrongs of this.

My suggestion is to let this gentleman go on his way and continue on whatever course he wants to, we have expressed our feelings in no uncertain terms.

We will not offer any kind of support in this forum for these questionable expansion packs.

Please let this thread die.

At least I don't need my glasses in here...

Btw you probably got something wrong if you believe that Grey Wolves is included in Seawolves.


According to a poll here about 90%. The forums were visited by 4000 capts last 24hrs + all the stowaways...I believe the forums are well known among subsimmers, no question about that ;)


I will respect that, as you hopefully will respect my opinion about the matter. No hard feelings :sunny:

No hard feelings at all as everyone is entitled to their own opinion.:sunny:

On the first page of this thread I remember saying that temperatures can run pretty high on this topic, hopefully, this exchange has not put you off this forum, as it is most certainly the best Sub forum available.

Thank You.

And thank you, Sir. No I'm not scared off, can handle some rough seas. These forums will continue to be most helpful to me as a SH3 commander. This issue is now closed as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, we capts shouldn't argue...now let's sail out there and fight our common enemy :rock:

:up::yep::rock:

We recently did a study on the user agreement we all clicked to install SH3 a solely owned copyrighted program of Ubisoft.
It specifically states to install the SH3 program you can not alter it in any way.
Mods, therefore, that are not specifically authorized by Ubisoft that edit, change or in any way modify any SH3 file are in violation of the user agreement you had to click that you excepted.
Ubisoft owns every file in SH3 including the ones modified without permission like the very fine GW and NYGM and others.
The fact it benefits UBI to actually turn their head to freeware mods does not make them legal.
Only one entity has been given permission to make an add on expansion of SH3; X-1/Combat Planes. No one else has permission.
They have the legal right to utilize the files owned by Ubisoft to make this add on.
Technically they can use any freeware mod (Let’s be clear, files that are modified UBI material they can but completely original material is another matter, IMO, like HMS Hood or Roma etc unless those used UBI owned files to create them)
That means GW and NYGM are the illegal mods and not Seawolves, but that is technically and UBI has certainly not enforced their user agreement and the lack of doing so may make GW a bit grey in a way!
Seawolves Med was released in France before TGW and I certainly (beta tested SW) can attest it was finished long before GW was released so every time anyone says they took anything from TGW shows extreme ignorance.
I still find it amusing that people get so worked up when someone wants to buy a mod as if it is a religious damnation to them. You have Blasphemed the God of our forum and must die infidels!!!:rotfl:
Like it or not Seawolves is the legal add on and the rest are in violation of the user agreement.
Of that there is no (legal) doubt so please refrain from being so mean spirited to fellow simmers that bought SW and welcome them here. Then encourage them to make a second install they can add TGW to and they can have their cake and eat it to and our community will grow giving more cause for continued SH3s in the future.
For the love of killing the English be nice!:up:

Wulfmann

Well Wulfmann, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to arrest you here.

Because I don't think that Ubisoft minds freeware mods to SH3. In fact they got a page on the SH3 official site with links to some mods. They are kinda old now, but I think you get the point...freeware mods are okey by Ubisoft.

Just take a look here: http://www.silent-hunteriii.com/uk/communitymods.php

Let's do as danlisa says...rest this case.

Those of you that believe certain freeware stuff and mods were stolen from the subsim community may take happiness in the fact that "War in the Med" and "Seawolves" are easily available on emule and various other illegal sites etc for pirates to easily steal, so the thieves are now being.thieved from, so to speak.

:arrgh!:
I must say this also: Although I do not condone piracy and do not download any illegal software personally, it is some comfort that what goes around comes around.

Nuff Said :know:

On that we agree, what goes around comes around.

The very first act of theft occurred when members here illegally downloaded X-1 files from an unsecured site (if you don’t lock the door stealing is OK?) of everything they had long before any release or any formulation of what they would make as their first expansion.
So, when some free mods showed up on the first expansion (technically owned by UBI so legit for X-1 to use anyway) it was in fact what goes around comes around.

Except here when modders steal it is in the name of God (Allah?) because they are so good and nice but when others give it back how dare they.

Like the hypocrite preacher this past weekend I have never had any sympathy for those here that were pointing their finger not noticing they had four other fingers point right back at them.

My point is people here said they were right and SW was wrong when IMO everyone of them had the same guilt of misconduct and selfishness.

Don’t expect to not get a neutral opinion (although I realize anything that does not follow the party line is not considered neutral but anti) on SW every time a rant is posted

Wulfmann

"We" will. People can come here and ask whatever they want and it would be very disrespectful not to help someone just because they use a mod pack that you don´t like.

:doh: So, if someone has the right to download a freeware mod and make it a payware mod of it is legal?

downloading an pirated Payware game, and then share it agains so then it would become a freeware game. would be legal then?

but anyway both things are ILLEGAL

because its clearly statet as on many freeware products that you MAY NOT SELL the product for personal gain.

Note Right of Freeware:
Freeware. The reproduction and distribution of freeware is allowed and encouraged as long as it is not for profit and with the condition that derivative works must also be designated as freeware. That means that you cannot take freeware, modify or extend it, and then sell it as commercial or shareware software. For additional information, please see Shareware, Freeware & Public Domain Software

Ok, Wulfmann. What is it that you dont understand? Let me quote a thread i posted here on subsim some time ago:

And, BTW: When you install SH3, the only question you get is "Do you agree to the terms of the licence agreement"? Answer yes or no. There is no option to place your signature or similar legal actions. In fact, anyone can press that yes-button. "Well, i didnt agree, so i let my neighbour press the yes-button, so i could play the game".
And Ubisoft (as a professional company) cant expect everybody to understand the legal terms in the licence agreement anyways. This concludes the "licence-agreement" evidence you are presenting...
Please, i dont mean to be hars, but do me a favour: Read.

I am pleased to hear that the moderators seems to share my opinion in this case, a little surprise really...that's why I had to comment on it.

When you say "we" I guess you are refering to the moderators, since more or less the entire community is against this payware product, and will not answer any questions about it. Then there is very little those of us who got another opinion can do, and that's why I stopped my "fight" for Seawolves in this thread.

So then I suggest that all of you against it simply stay out of any Seawolves threads, instead of examples like this one: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=100250

Poor Ragnar39...:nope:
I hope you didn't scare him off.

But I got the product, and now I will try to help if I can.

Yes, there is a link, but most players still dont read the game´s forums. Usually they only do it if they are having problems with the game and need help. They register, ask for help and get it. Then they leave the forums alone. There are 17,000 registered members at SubSim and not all those are SHIII players.

Come on! Seawolves is poorly done, contains spyware and has stolen mods, who modder would be honored to see his mod included (read: stolen) to it?

Admiral Dowly, I bet you don't even own a copy of Seawolves. If so you got no right to claim that its quality is poor.

But I don't intend to continue this argument, I have clearly stated my opinion about Seawolves in this thread, and nothing will change that.

I own a copy and its poor
End off

Hooray!:()1:

I dont buy it , because the fact that they used others people mods without permission gives it already a poor quality state :stare: