sooo... your a republican now? :haha:

BTW, on topic, there is no reason the US should be forced to tell Americans they should stay away from American soil because of problems with violence that originates on foreign soil.

That is the point. We are ceding the initiative, if you will on our own soil. The Mexican criminals are in effect able to operate at will in some areas to the detriment of US citizens.

As a citizen of a border State I find that unacceptable. If I wish to go backpacking someplace near the border I should not have to fear FOREIGN violence. That's what the Army is for, to protect the US from foreign violence.

When it's Maria sneaking across to be a housekeeper, that's a law enforcement issue. When Juan and his 10 partners come across armed (often with real assault weapons, not weapons that look like assault weapons but are only semi-auto) to smuggle drugs, and kill anyone who gets in the way, it's a military issue.

Remember that THOUSANDS have been murdered along the border this year alone by these bastards.

Looks like New Mexico is realy expanding.

Thousands?

They are both law enforcement issues. Send in the military to do law enforcement or recruit a hell of a lot more police and border patrol, either way its gonna cost you a fortune.

Yes, Mexicos side of the border has this years drug wars running at about 700 murders a month so far.

But which one is faster? Training new border patrol officers or training soldiers in law enforcement?

And what about the intimidation aspect? We've had law enforcement and border patrol down there intercepting drug runners for ages, but how would they react to professional soldiers manning the border, in numbers?

surely both would take about the same training time as they would have to learn the same things, but the military are already there so they wouldn't have the recruiting employees issues the border agency would.

They would react in the same way as they do to any change affecting their business, they simply adapt to circumvent new measures.

I suppose. But it might at least slow down some of them as they work out how to keep things running :hmmm:

Military on the border means absolutely nothing if they don't have recon support.

But I doubt UAVs are not the topic as much is the usual attempt to smear Obama.

Actually, look at what US troops are doing abroad. Military patrols, and what is in effect "community policing."

Law enforcement use is becoming very much part of what US troops do given an enemy that intentionally blurs the distinction between his cowardly self and the local civilians.

Armed men invading the US from Mexico are invaders, not criminals. As far as I'm concerned, the ROE can be that if elements of US law enforcement or army verify weapons (FLIR recordings would be fine), the ROE should allow them to get a release to shoot. Let the perps know this ahead of time—open carry=death if they cross into the US.

To protect citizens, make the engagement zone narrow, and suspend open carry in those regions (NM has open carry, for example).

While this is a failure by the federal government, it cannot be laid at the feet of Obama. Sure I don't like the guy, but the facts are that these counties have been "danger zones" since 2006 - and nothing has been done. Sure, one could argue he hasn't done anything about it, but its not like he was on watch when it turned this direction.

He is still responsible for maintaining sovereignty, or in this case - reasserting it - but to claim he is the one that ceded the de facto control over is false.

The NRA is going to kick your ass for that statement, its an infringement:yeah:
If you are going to infringe on citizens gun rights to tackle possible armed crime in one place then how long till you infringe on citizens rights everywhere? after all a pile of murders in Mexico related to drugs is not all that different to a pile of murders in Michigan related to drugs.

Yeah, after all its not like there are hundreds of cases where people screw up very badly on those points.
Which is just as well as if the really completely unprecedented mistake did happen it could work out very very very expensive.

if you ask me Mr. Obama is all kinda wrong, this is yet again another instance where he has proven to america that it was really one big freaking mistake to vote him into office. this whole Arizona thing just burns me smooth up, i cant believe THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA would give some of Americas land to the freaking illegal aliens because he doesn't want to deal with it being dangerous. instead he wants to hide in his office and not do a dang thing. He needs to get up off his butt grow him a pair and do something about this. Its insane!!!

Welcome... well thats Obama, and just about every other country now days. Trying to deal with everything nice and sweet... Things could be used to stop/help out, but we dont want to offend anyone.

God forbid we actually hurt somebody's precious feelings, particularly those who would do us harm anyway. Where's John Wayne when you need him. :shifty:

Welcome aboard, warbird. :arrgh!: