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Dowly 11-28-08 07:18 PM

How can you blame the parents? I mean, the frocking woman had the intention to go online as the '16yo' boy and harrass the 13yo girl that she KNEW was suffering from depression!? Give me the power and that b**ch would have had bullet hole in her neck in a split second.

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We've seen this "13yo's should't be in the internet" crap for years already. That's no excuse! This darn chick is in my books a killer, an hour after of the twuts message to "break off" the girl committed a suicide. Hmmm.. I wonder why... maybe she was out of gummi bears... NOT!

Task Force 11-28-08 07:35 PM

To be honest with you, Why the H*** does a 13 year old emotional girl have the internet any way.:hmm: do her parents have nut shells for brains.:nope: And that b**** should get murder charges for helping bring her to her death.

(thats why everyone who dosent want a unwanted visitor needs to keep there persional info secret. Every parent needs to tell there kids about stuff like that. and not to let anyone on the internet attempt to make them do anything, because anyone can lie.):yep:

1480 11-29-08 02:46 AM

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Our society aren't liberal AVGw. Our societies are screwed up. We are parents but we can't parent properly because our government passes laws that makes it difficult for us to do the job. Slapping a kid is considered abuse. What nonsense crap is that. Some children can use a good wack on the behind.
WH, most states permit (not sure about your provinces) corporal punishment as long as it is reasonable.Baseball bat to the thigh= abuse, smack upside the head= good parental judgement.

There was a time it was like that here not anymore.

I can do it but risk of going to jail if my daughter should accuse me of abuse.

Very easy here to accuse someone and get a record without followup especially for guys. Laws favor local woman here.

But if that time would come and I was put into that situation I would give her and him a good wacking. :arrgh!:

I agree with Wolfehunter here. All kids have to do today is cry abuse. Dad is on his way to lock up and pychogical help. Have a kid dial 911 like my brother-in-law did when he was a kid was all it took. Cops will come and you will be labelled. I'll be honest here. My daughter is a small kid. She is basically a year behind in growth as compared to other kids in her age. To help ease her mind my wife and I scheduled an appointment at John Hopkins here in Baltimore with a leading authority on child growth. During the visit, the doctor was looking for signs of abuse and malnutrition. She was looking for ribs showing, etc. All test were taken, blood, height, weight, etc. All test came back as a normal girl with typical hormon levels for her age and she is just a small person. Heck, my wife is 4 foot 6. We are not big people. My daughter was fine after the visit. I was aghast with the doctor looking for abuse. She thought I did not notice. My dad was a doctor and I read most of his books and new the method of operation in a possible abuse case. This doctor performed that method. You know, if the doctor determined my wife and I were starving our kid, our butts would be in the slammer.

AWH, I am sorry about what you and your better half had to go through. MD's, social workers, teachers, police & fire, etc, are mandatory reporters. Most states adopted certain laws about reporting child abuse. It's a noble cause given to ignorant folk who have never had a child.

Wolfehunter 11-29-08 05:39 AM

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I believe both sides are claiming ignorance. I do however agree with you that the parents said the girl was having problems thus closer attention was warranted. That is the only failure I can see for the parents. Internet activity should have been monitored if the girl was in a state of mind that would not be considered normal 13 year old activity.

I agree

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Parents can only drill so far. I was a kid once, I knew what my parents knew about me and I knew what they did not know about me. My point is, parents can not be at all places at all times. Parents can only hope to lead by example and provide the appropriate answers when questions of asked. However, did this women posing as a teenager take her responsibility that she screwed up? I'm thinking not.

This is true. Their is a limit to what parents can and cannot do. But that is a parents choice. How far are you willing to go to protect your children? Lory is a screwed up individual I never questioned it. For all I know she's a 49 year old woman on menopause who forgot to take her meds?

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That is the problem right there...accepted norm. What others seem acceptable, I may not hence...what I think is PG-13 material my not be what you consider PG-13 material. Accepted norms have gotten us in more trouble then the unaccepted norms. But, society likes to have a blind eye to it because the masses believe it is all ok.

I agree with you. I don't accept the norm. I don't have cable TV its banned in my house. Why should I have my daughter see censored garbage? Plenty of books, sports and outdoors experiences to play with friends and family. TV rots the mind.

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Sure we are liberal as a society. It was a liberal that came up with the 'time out chair'. Tell you what, if so deemed necessary, my kids behind would be to red to be using 'the time out chair'. Fortunate for me and my wife, we have not had to resort to that type of punishment. Again, it is lead by example and paying attention. I'll give you short story on my niece. Her parents swear like sailors and threaten physical harm, sometime as a joke, sometimes not. One day I asked my niece (age 7 at the time) to sit in her chair for lunch. She said, "No and I'm going to kick your a$$'. As plain as day. I knew were that talk came from. Mom and dad. So, again, lead by example. Watch your tongue and actions.

A good backhand would have smarten her up if she was my niece.

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Just another example of liberal thinking in this country. It is a very sad time that we as parents and I refer back to my previous post, that sexuality is drilled in at a very young age which leads us back to the accepted norm. It is not normal for 13 year olds to be having sex. Nor is it normal to be providing birth control in any form to a 13 year old because that shows nothing but throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "this is the accepted norm so she is going to do it anyway, here is a condom. BTW, mom and dad do not need to find out.' Doing this relieves the parents of any responsibility. Pure rubbish and just another form of government intervention. It takes a village to raise a child. No, it take concerned parents and not the type that just dropped of 9 kids in Nebraska because state law allows parents to drop off their kids at a hospital without recourse. The law was originally for newborns. Now it is any kid.

I agree with you but the solution is remove the government and restore normal rules.

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Parents can not be responsible for her being an outcast. Never the less, I refer back to my first response, if the child was already having issues, better parent intervention was called for. Apparently this was lacking and the end result reflects that. But, this women did get a hold of this young girl on the internet and if that does not ring a bell or two for you, then I do not know what will. She too is responsible for her actions. Furthermore, I believe this woman daughter was in on it and thus feeding her mom the current situation with this 'outcast' and for no good reason decided it was high time to demoralize the girls further. This case IMO is not a one way street.

Hence the reason why the parents failed and their daughter is dead.

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I did not state anywhere that someone else was responsible for this child or my own. I stated, that in todays world it is media emotional overload that is pumped to kids 24/7. You would have to agree that parenting today is far and beyond what it was 50 years ago. My cell phone when I was a kid was two tin cans and string. My computer was a calculator. Kids actually talked face to face and play real baseball and not virtual baseball in the comfort of their homes over a internet line. Dungeons and Dragons was played at a table with books and dice. Not on the world wide web and with who the hell knows on the other end playing an ogre. My point, there is more to look after in todays world. That is my point in the previous post.

I know I was their too. I've played Tabletop games aswell. I've done fishing and hunting. I used to play soccor and hockey. I used to fixup scrap cars and motorcrosses from my friends scrapyard and we would race in the forest trails. Cool times. skidooing and skiing good times. I've been their AVGWarhawk. My daughter in her own way will experience some of these. She loves fishing... Especially when she catches a bigger fish than me and her Opa.

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No need to be sorry for disagreeing, that is what conversations are about sometimes. But, you have to admit that the woman posing as a teenager playing mind games with an adult brain and knowing what would get to a teenager metally is outright wrong. The internet just provided an outlet for this woman to do this. There is something inherently wrong with that. You do not see that this action by a mom and her daughter along with a friend is a bit distressing?

I know she's screwed up. She's on some freaky menopause trip and forgot to take her meds.

Parents are the controling factor. They control the electricity... they pay for it. They control the internet.. They pay for it. They control the TV /Cable/Satellite... They pay for it. Parents can monitor and screen their house if their child isn't playing by the rules. But the best way to instill knowledge is when their young before the world environment starts to corrupt their minds with nonsense.

If you know your kids in trouble how far are you willing to go to save them from a crackpot or themselves? I'm saying you or anyone else here wouldn't do their best to save their own. But many out their don't go all the way. Megan's parents failed AWGWarhawk because shes dead.

Rilder 11-29-08 06:37 AM

For the record the first time I saw porn was when I was like 13. ¬_¬

Wolfehunter 11-29-08 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 1480
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Originally Posted by Wolfehunter
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Originally Posted by 1480
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Our society aren't liberal AVGw. Our societies are screwed up. We are parents but we can't parent properly because our government passes laws that makes it difficult for us to do the job. Slapping a kid is considered abuse. What nonsense crap is that. Some children can use a good wack on the behind.
WH, most states permit (not sure about your provinces) corporal punishment as long as it is reasonable.Baseball bat to the thigh= abuse, smack upside the head= good parental judgement.

There was a time it was like that here not anymore.

I can do it but risk of going to jail if my daughter should accuse me of abuse.

Very easy here to accuse someone and get a record without followup especially for guys. Laws favor local woman here.

But if that time would come and I was put into that situation I would give her and him a good wacking. :arrgh!:

I agree with Wolfehunter here. All kids have to do today is cry abuse. Dad is on his way to lock up and pychogical help. Have a kid dial 911 like my brother-in-law did when he was a kid was all it took. Cops will come and you will be labelled. I'll be honest here. My daughter is a small kid. She is basically a year behind in growth as compared to other kids in her age. To help ease her mind my wife and I scheduled an appointment at John Hopkins here in Baltimore with a leading authority on child growth. During the visit, the doctor was looking for signs of abuse and malnutrition. She was looking for ribs showing, etc. All test were taken, blood, height, weight, etc. All test came back as a normal girl with typical hormon levels for her age and she is just a small person. Heck, my wife is 4 foot 6. We are not big people. My daughter was fine after the visit. I was aghast with the doctor looking for abuse. She thought I did not notice. My dad was a doctor and I read most of his books and new the method of operation in a possible abuse case. This doctor performed that method. You know, if the doctor determined my wife and I were starving our kid, our butts would be in the slammer.

AWH, I am sorry about what you and your better half had to go through. MD's, social workers, teachers, police & fire, etc, are mandatory reporters. Most states adopted certain laws about reporting child abuse. It's a noble cause given to ignorant folk who have never had a child.

System maybe noble but it does as much damages as it does good. When their wrong how hard is it for a family to prove it? I know I'm talking from experiance.

My wife is disabled. She has certain mobile limitations. So when our daughter came to this world we where excited. Happiest time in my life turn not long after that to the worst 2 and a half years or torment and torture.

Hospital offered a government service to aid my wifes recovery due the complicated birth. My wife was very sick after the birth. I refused the help because I don't trust the government Through past experiences. I also have some level of medical training so I know how to take care of her. But with the aid of my mother in law pushing my wife to get help I was overruled.

So 2 1/2 years these social service people where monitoring and profiling us while they where suppose to help her. They didn't have a problem with me..but my wife. They assumed she was retarded or simply slow. This isn't true. My wifes mind is sharp even better than mine. Her body is sick and weak. Plus she had the post pardon depression and sickly recovery to deal with.

Real issue was they wanted to stop the service because the Government thinking changed and they didn't have the money to continue the so called help. Their quick solution was to force parents to put their kids in daycare. Daycare in my province is dangerous. Not all are bad but most have major problems. Also my daughter started a blood condition that made her white blood count low. We had to quarantine my daughter from sick people because they could kill her. We refused daycare. They didn't want my wife alone to raise her child. So their threatened us and was going to in an extreme way take our child away. We had doctors letters proving our daughter conditions. Still they tried to fight us.

I busted my a$$ at work and at home daily non stop. I even had an escape route planned to leave the country should it get ugly. How many nights I didn't sleep? How many days I wait for the call? How many days my wife delt with prying eyes watcher every move waiting for her to screw up and give them the excuse? Everybody close to me knew was ready to help.

Fortunate we had friends in the system who knew us and fought for our cause. Some of them where the social workers who helped my wife. But the guys higher ups didn't care it was about numbers. They wanted a quick resolve.

I argued against them every 2nd week with their reports and profiling. They had a book that was used for reference to determine the level of our child's development.

Every 2 weeks our daughter had to prove she could do the things in it. My daughter was our savior. Every time she shut them up. She proved them wrong. It wasn't me or my wife or all the help we had that won the day. It was my daughter. She somehow knew. So when they finally left the last time I had the meeting with them. They ask me did our service help us? I laughed so hard I cried. I told them to F-off and slammed the door never looking back.

Funny thing is they where suppose to help my wife so she could recover. All they did was take years off our lives. Noble system my a$$.

Problem with the system its not perfect and shouldn't be their. How many cases they miss? How many cases they really save? How many cases are true or lies?

I don't know? Its run by people who think their above the law and can do what they want. Because their human and fallible.

Reason I'm here writing this is because my daughter was keen. Or I would be dead or and outlaw now.

My daughter is 5 now and shes doing good in school and healthy. :up:

Dowly 11-29-08 07:12 AM

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For the record the first time I saw porn was when I was like 13. ¬_¬

I think I was around 7. :p Then maybe 7-8 when I saw my first splatter movie, the Braindead. ;)

AVGWarhawk 11-29-08 07:18 AM

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For the record the first time I saw porn was when I was like 13. ¬_¬

I was about 13 as well. However, it was on a 8mm movie:roll: I guess I'm dating myself by that statement:rotfl:

AVGWarhawk 11-29-08 07:20 AM

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For the record the first time I saw porn was when I was like 13. ¬_¬

I think I was around 7. :p Then maybe 7-8 when I saw my first splatter movie, the Braindead. ;)

Heck, my folks would not let me watch JAWS. Rated R and I was not old enough. By todays splatter movies standards, JAWS is a day at the beach. Good Lord, have you seen SAW. There are some diabolical people out there:-?

AVGWarhawk 11-29-08 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force
To be honest with you, Why the H*** does a 13 year old emotional girl have the internet any way.:hmm: do her parents have nut shells for brains.:nope: And that b**** should get murder charges for helping bring her to her death.

(thats why everyone who dosent want a unwanted visitor needs to keep there persional info secret. Every parent needs to tell there kids about stuff like that. and not to let anyone on the internet attempt to make them do anything, because anyone can lie.):yep:

Absolutely correct on the last sentence Task Force. Kids need to be schooled on the internet. It's good qualities and what nastiness can come of it. These days when we talk to our kids it is about sex, drugs, alcohol and now the internet.


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