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1480 08-29-08 08:28 PM

DT I have the perfect solution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl-N__xMwds

Frame57 08-30-08 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis
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Originally Posted by Frame57
You are not stupid, but the context of his speech and clear support for Islamic terrorist organizations is clear on his stance with the Democracy of Israel.

Can you quote the parts where he says his views on support for Islamic terrorist organisations is clear?

I'm just not getting that.

Perhaps you are reading into things something that is not there?

If you are reading into things, something that is not there, then that's the true badge of a religous fundamentalist and well done you :up:.

I can dig it up from savages archives and will post it, need a little time though, I am bushed.

Jimbuna 08-30-08 03:55 AM

Come on peeps....this whole thread is beginning to develop into something like the Frankenstein monster that got out of control :hmm:

joegrundman 08-30-08 04:23 AM

i think it's a storm in a teacup about the fact that there isn't a storm in a teacup...or something...:hmm:

mrbeast 08-30-08 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
Carter, the one former submariner I am ashamed of that wore dolphins. This dirt bag also makes anti-semitic remarks regarding Israel. Does not surprize me at all that he would do this as well. He is why i voted for Regan and Bush is why I am now an Independant.

Where are the anti-smetic remarks?

I know Carter recently published a book which was highly critical of Israeli policy regarding the Palestinians but where s he anti-semetic?

Frame57 08-31-08 02:15 PM

Carter's book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid, is obviously an anti-semitic book. Most Jewish organizations have voiced this as well. Carter has since tasked the publisher with editing much of the books comments.

Monroe Freedman former director of the holocaust memorial council was told by Carter that the council had "too many Jews on it", thusly would not support it.

Carter claims that presidential elections are greatly predicated on "alien-Jewish" money.

Carter refuse to see hamas as a terrorist organization.

Carter lies about the palestinians accepting a two state proposal, while ignoring the fact they rejected the proposal since the Peel commision.

The National review stated that Carter's book was heavily biased against Israel due to the continued funding the Carter center recieves from Arab and terrorist organizations.

mrbeast 08-31-08 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
Carter's book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid, is obviously an anti-semitic book. Most Jewish organizations have voiced this as well. Carter has since tasked the publisher with editing much of the books comments.

I don't undestand why its 'obviously' an anti-semetic book? Because it aludes to comparing Israel to Apartied South Africa? Should Israel be immune from criticism it doesn't like on pain of being called an anti-semite? :roll: :nope:

I once watched a TV interview where an illegal Jewish settler was asked what he would do if the Israeli government told him to leave. His answer IIRC was 'Then anti-semitism knows no bounds'!

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Monroe Freedman former director of the holocaust memorial council was told by Carter that the council had "too many Jews on it", thusly would not support it.
Hmmm sounds like another soundbite, out of context, quote......in fact pretty much like him calling Obama a 'black boy'.

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Carter claims that presidential elections are greatly predicated on "alien-Jewish" money.
See above

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Carter refuse to see hamas as a terrorist organization.
From the Carter Centre's website:

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Hamas had been declared a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel, and the elected Palestinian government was forced to dissolve. Eventually, Hamas gained control of Gaza, and Fatah is "governing" the Israeli-dominated West Bank. Opinion polls show Hamas steadily gaining popularity. Since there can be no peace with Palestinians divided, we at the Carter Center believed it important to explore conditions allowing Hamas to be brought peacefully back into the discussions. (A recent poll of Israelis, who are familiar with this history, showed 64 percent favored direct talks between Israel and Hamas.)
Because Carter talked to Hamas doesn't mean he denies that they have committed attrocities in the past. Somebody is going to have to talk in the end look at the situation in Northern Ireland, where incidently quite a few Americans refused to recognise the IRA as a terrorist organisation.

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Carter lies about the palestinians accepting a two state proposal, while ignoring the fact they rejected the proposal since the Peel commision.
When? Which Palestinians? Which two state proposal?

Perhaps if Israel stopped building illegal settlements on Palestinian land a two state solution might be more attractive?:hmm:

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The National review stated that Carter's book was heavily biased against Israel due to the continued funding the Carter center recieves from Arab and terrorist organizations.
Nice article from a good, non biased publication :nope:

Wonder if he has as many Saudi backers as the Bush family? :hmm:

Stealth Hunter 08-31-08 05:24 PM

Worst. Thread. Ever.

No offence to the OP, but I mean come on. Haven't you been unable to remember a person's name and said "That black boy" or "That Indian kid" or "That Italian fellow"? Jimmy Carter is perhaps one of the least racist people who was involved with politics...

And as far as him not being the "brightest bulb in the box", the man is nearly 84 years old (he will be 84 on October 1st)... cut him some slack.

Thomen 08-31-08 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Worst. Thread. Ever.

No offence to the OP, but I mean come on. Haven't you been unable to remember a person's name and said "That black boy" or "That Indian kid" or "That Italian fellow"? Jimmy Carter is perhaps one of the least racist people who was involved with politics...

And as far as him not being the "brightest bulb in the box", the man is nearly 84 years old (he will be 84 on October 1st)... cut him some slack.

Ok, let me clear something up before another lecture comes /jk

My intention was NOT to put Jimmi Carter out there as a racist. I never called him that. Yes, I know how the word is used and what meaning it has and had. My intention was to show that if anyone not from the Obama side had said it, it would make headlines.

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...and it does not make headlines. Anyone want to bet if that would have been said a Republican, people would scream bloody murder. So much to " there is no liberal media bias".
I apologize for not clearifying my point in the OP.

EDIT: Just to be on the safe side let me also clarify: I assume, that he meant it in the best spirit of support amd did not intend to talk down on the candidate. ;)

joegrundman 08-31-08 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

My intention was NOT to put Jimmi Carter out there as a racist. I never called him that. Yes, I know how the word is used and what meaning it has and had. My intention was to show that if anyone not from the Obama side had said it, it would make headlines.

but you haven't shown this either - all we have is your assertion that it is so. You need to present instances of similar "out-of context" quote picking by other parties which did lead to a major drama in order to show this.

Thomen 08-31-08 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman
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Originally Posted by Thomen

My intention was NOT to put Jimmi Carter out there as a racist. I never called him that. Yes, I know how the word is used and what meaning it has and had. My intention was to show that if anyone not from the Obama side had said it, it would make headlines.

but you haven't shown this either - all we have is your assertion that it is so. You need to present instances of similar "out-of context" quote picking by other parties which did lead to a major drama in order to show this.


You know that it happens all the time, I know it and everybody with half a brain knows that it happens.

But, to satisfy you, here is Jimmi Carter, taken out of context in a different issue.

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/08/29/...ous_by_fox.php


Ann Coulter
/facepalm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256860,00.html

Obama
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/378/

Obama
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07...y4306672.shtml

If you want more, I suggest you google it yourself. ;)

joegrundman 08-31-08 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen
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Originally Posted by joegrundman
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomen

My intention was NOT to put Jimmi Carter out there as a racist. I never called him that. Yes, I know how the word is used and what meaning it has and had. My intention was to show that if anyone not from the Obama side had said it, it would make headlines.

but you haven't shown this either - all we have is your assertion that it is so. You need to present instances of similar "out-of context" quote picking by other parties which did lead to a major drama in order to show this.

You know that it happens all the time, I know it and everybody with half a brain knows that it happens.

But, to satisfy you, here is Jimmi Carter, taken out of context in a different issue.

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/08/29/...ous_by_fox.php


Ann Coulter
/facepalm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256860,00.html

Obama
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/378/

Obama
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07...y4306672.shtml

If you want more, I suggest you google it yourself. ;)

It is entirely irrelevent whether "everybody knows it" or not. You say you wanted to show, but you didn't do it, you simply asserted.

Your three linked supporting comments fail somehow to qualify. The two about Obama clearly fail to demonstrate how this sort of storm only applies to those not in the Obama camp

the one by Coulter is maybe more appropriate, but you could argue that her comments were not taken out of context.

Thomen 09-01-08 12:09 AM

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It is entirely irrelevent whether "everybody knows it" or not. You say you wanted to show, but you didn't do it, you simply asserted.
In that case I will rest peacefully with the knowledge that I am not alone in my assertion and that is good enough for me.

Frame57 09-01-08 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frame57
Carter's book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid, is obviously an anti-semitic book. Most Jewish organizations have voiced this as well. Carter has since tasked the publisher with editing much of the books comments.

I don't undestand why its 'obviously' an anti-semetic book? Because it aludes to comparing Israel to Apartied South Africa? Should Israel be immune from criticism it doesn't like on pain of being called an anti-semite? :roll: :nope:

I once watched a TV interview where an illegal Jewish settler was asked what he would do if the Israeli government told him to leave. His answer IIRC was 'Then anti-semitism knows no bounds'!

Quote:

Monroe Freedman former director of the holocaust memorial council was told by Carter that the council had "too many Jews on it", thusly would not support it.
Hmmm sounds like another soundbite, out of context, quote......in fact pretty much like him calling Obama a 'black boy'.

Quote:

Carter claims that presidential elections are greatly predicated on "alien-Jewish" money.
See above

Quote:

Carter refuse to see hamas as a terrorist organization.
From the Carter Centre's website:

Quote:

Hamas had been declared a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel, and the elected Palestinian government was forced to dissolve. Eventually, Hamas gained control of Gaza, and Fatah is "governing" the Israeli-dominated West Bank. Opinion polls show Hamas steadily gaining popularity. Since there can be no peace with Palestinians divided, we at the Carter Center believed it important to explore conditions allowing Hamas to be brought peacefully back into the discussions. (A recent poll of Israelis, who are familiar with this history, showed 64 percent favored direct talks between Israel and Hamas.)
Because Carter talked to Hamas doesn't mean he denies that they have committed attrocities in the past. Somebody is going to have to talk in the end look at the situation in Northern Ireland, where incidently quite a few Americans refused to recognise the IRA as a terrorist organisation.

Quote:

Carter lies about the palestinians accepting a two state proposal, while ignoring the fact they rejected the proposal since the Peel commision.
When? Which Palestinians? Which two state proposal?

Perhaps if Israel stopped building illegal settlements on Palestinian land a two state solution might be more attractive?:hmm:

Quote:

The National review stated that Carter's book was heavily biased against Israel due to the continued funding the Carter center recieves from Arab and terrorist organizations.
Nice article from a good, non biased publication :nope:

Wonder if he has as many Saudi backers as the Bush family? :hmm:

Your conjectures are wrong. I suggest you read the book. :know:

Tchocky 09-01-08 05:27 PM

Got a lot of respect for Jimmy Carter after reading this - http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...?startindex=10

Oh, and the National Review considers anyone further down the scale from Moshe Dayan to be a raving anti-semite.


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