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SUBMAN1 08-21-07 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoon 11th
Wow, that's one impressive plane. Time for Tom Cruise to make Top Gun II.

Only if he crashes and dies in the movie. I'd go see it then, otherwise, pick a better actor.

-S

Spoon 11th 08-21-07 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Only if he crashes and dies in the movie. I'd go see it then, otherwise, pick a better actor.

-S

Opinions are like a-holes. I think Cruise is not bad actor as long as he doesn't smile. He and Val Kilmer could be competing Top Gun instructors in the new movie and they could collide in mid air and crash and die in about middle of the movie. Then in the end of the movie the new Top Gun, some current male teen idol, would go to Persian Gulf to fight against iranians in some incident and clear the skies of enemy planes.

XLjedi 08-21-07 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoon 11th
Opinions are like a-holes. I think Cruise is not bad actor as long as he doesn't smile. He and Val Kilmer could be competing Top Gun instructors in the new movie and they could collide in mid air and crash and die in about middle of the movie. Then in the end of the movie the new Top Gun, some current male teen idol, would go to Persian Gulf to fight against iranians in some incident and clear the skies of enemy planes.

Hey now... don't be knockin Val. He totally redeemed himself as Doc Holiday. :yep: ...and when he came on SNL and spoofed the Iceman character as an airline pilot, that was classic!:rotfl:

What do I know about acting? I like most of Cruise's movies... it's just the underlying person that has begun to grate on my nerves.

SUBMAN1 08-21-07 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoon 11th
Opinions are like a-holes. I think Cruise is not bad actor as long as he doesn't smile. He and Val Kilmer could be competing Top Gun instructors in the new movie and they could collide in mid air and crash and die in about middle of the movie. Then in the end of the movie the new Top Gun, some current male teen idol, would go to Persian Gulf to fight against iranians in some incident and clear the skies of enemy planes.

Sounds like a good script to me! Except I kind of like Val Kilmer as an actor. So maybe Cruise can cruise and crash into someone else? :D We need Val (Iceman) in there who is unflinching and can kick some Iranian butt with our hero actor at the end! Otherwise we are all doomed!

-S

bradclark1 08-21-07 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

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HENRY: Although this emerging undersea threat is a top priority for the U.S. Navy, the U.S. is committed to its nuclear submarine force, and has no plans to develop subs like the Gotland.

The Navy says it just wants to know how to detect and kill them.
I think thats a bit of a mistake. We should have a half dozen or so subs of this technology for foreign coastal work. But then how silent is the Sea Wolf?

Chock 08-21-07 03:52 PM

That's a very impressive display, that thing sure can move, but it reminds me of the USAF 50th anniversary show at Fairford some years ago, where I watched an F-16 and an Su-27 Flanker trying to outdo one another in tight turning circles. They made about the same radius turns (maybe the Flanker was a little bit tighter, but not much in it). They turned at about the same rate too, but the Flanker was doing it without afterburners whereas the F-16 was on full 'burner to sustain the rate.

Which of course means it would have lost the dogfight in a stalemate when it simply dropped out of the sky after about six minutes of 'burner followed by an embarrassing silence as it ran out of JP4. Moves like that don't really prove anything over an airfield, where they can land on fumes after p*ssing all their fuel away doing showboat stuff like that which is tactically meaningless for the most part.

Far more impressive is the supercruise and radar detection capability of the Raptor. Pulling tight turns is all very well, but it generally means that you've gone defensive and cocked things up after the merge. Still, the Fleet Air Arm proved that funky vectored thrust moves can help you win a dogfight, so if the Raptor can do that stuff without blowing all its fuel away, it could be useful. But I'd like to see it do it with weapons and mission fuel on board, which it clearly has not got when performing at an airshow!

Incidentally, Top Gun is the biggest repressed closet homosexual movie on the planet, please god not another one!

And using the Northrop's as MiGs just gets funnier every time you watch it. Hot Shots is more technically accurate.

:D Chock

Tchocky 08-21-07 04:29 PM

Top Gun was repressed?!

Another thing to consider about that Su-27/F-16 standoff is the relative sizes of the two aircraft. The Flanker is 50% heavier and quite a bit larger than the Falcon. It also has the extra engine, and over double the wing area. Fairly impressive bird.

Iceman 08-21-07 04:41 PM

I remember seeing those Gotland subs a few years ago we talked about it...The Swedes could write they're own check with that baby and I'm sure they did ...thats the kind of technology you can't let bad guys get a hold of...Ahh the beautiful swedes :)

http://www.navy.mil/management/photo...-0685S-003.jpg

And this was the crew they sent with it to protect its most precious secrets... :)

http://www.teamdarkside.ca/gallery/04231140341.jpg

Where do I sign up for the Swedish Navy?


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