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Dear Wulfman,

I few days ago you took the stand that you were 'the devils advocate', the 'alter ego' of the community, a reasonable voice in the middle, claiming to be victimised by 'the mob'.
You stood up vigurously against Deatping's ethnic slurs against a member of our community, The Avon Lady.
I and some others applauded you for your stand. I'm convinced you had the best intentions when you took up this position.
I respect everybody's right on these forums to be heard within the rules of the site.

Since then a lot more new accusations and facts have turned up, most important some facts uncovered by jasonb885.
Neal has done his own investigation and come up with a balanced but clear statement in the (sister) thread: My statement on the X 1 Seewolfe Expansion"

If you want to be the reasonable voice in the middle you also have to listen to other reasonable voices.
You can't just spit irony or sarcasm at jason, terrapin or others, modders or not, or completely ignore the portance of Neals statement. He doesn't speak out that often and that clear about a software company unless there is a real problem.

With me you are having a credibility problem now, whether you care or not.
Just like you I like to see things form both sides and I will never flame at anybody on this forum - although some might say I sometimes do on the General Topics Forum - but after seeing or hearing things from both sides it's sometimes better to make a clear choice.
But you stick with your position whatever you hear from others...

You are losing your credibility with me because it seems that you take X 1, 'Reggie McNeal' or whomever on their word. I did so in the very beginning of this debate but it is totally clear by now that X 1 is not a trustworthy source of information. So adapt your point of view...
You keep promoting some sort of committee to solve a problem that is already 'solved' by Neals statement as far as I am concerned, thus 'beating a dead horse'...

And I'm getting irritated by your constant referring to the community as a "mob", while complaining about it's lynching mentality. I'm sure some see this - rightly or wrongly - just as a provocation from your side. You should stop that...

Finally I do not consider the response of the community self-destructive. Nothing good for the community would have come out of X 1's Seewolfe project.
Nor do a see the community weakened by this affair. On the contrary, I consider it very united against robbing software from modders and pornographic and antisemitic oustings against members of this community.

If you love fierce discussions why not go to the General Topics Forum and join the discussions there? Or start your own subject?

Instead of a reasonable voice in the middle you turned yourself into a lone voice in the desert...
Your original point of view deserves better!
:-?

OSSI is back! On the German board of the Gamestar mag he's registered as "Wolfer", and is doing the same crap as he did here: pretend that he is just a user and defends X1 at all costs, with the same arguments we have heard from him already! BTW, it is a new account, and he's only posting in the Seewölfe thread!

http://forum.gamestar.de/gspinboard/...d.php?t=139486

@Abraham.....That was well said!!!............ :up:

:rotfl: .....................that was funny

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If the scope/limit of his sales/advertising for seawolves is bulletin boards and forums then seawolves is already sunk from your guy's torpedoing efforts. great job guys keep up the good work. Hunt him like seawolves ! lol. :rock:

Death to all pirates :arrgh!: sink 'em all-dasboot

On my soon to come clan site you can bet there will be a HUGE ban x1 software drive and a explaination of how x1 aquires it's "software" that it tries to sell. It will be a PERMANENT BAN.

Hey, it's the weekend so maybe it's his "nephew" again! :roll:

lmao
 

I'm a month + behind in checking out sh3 released mods rofl I have alot of catching up to do.

I'll just take your word for that. I can't read a word of the German there, so he could be trying to sell snake oil for all I can tell. ;)

So anyone heard from any distribution companies etc or gaming magazines?

Matrix have commented. For some reason I can't link to the thread, its on the second page of the General Discussion forum, "X1 ripping off modders in SH3 expansion?".

I won't comment on it other than to say I was disappointed the thread got locked when I could see no real reason for doing so; you can read it for yourselves. I will draw attention to Marc's comment that "we´re currently in no way connected to this product".

I suspect any other distribution companies are also perfectly well aware of the allegations made, and would make appropriate enquiries before agreeing any deal. I would be surprised if the press commented before such a deal was agreed. At present the game has not been published and they cannot condemn on the basis of a leaked beta - for which an explanation has been provided regardless of how plausible or otherwise those here may find it.

Child's play! :smug:

;)

If you all keep talking about this add-on I might just have to buy a copy out of sheer morbid curosity..... :nope:

Yeah, ONE of us should buy a copy. Then we rip the content, rename it, upload it here and claim that X1 allowed us to use it. After all X1 should be familiar with actions like this :D

Heh... neat how the zen-like "equal blame" thing is used here :roll:
Kinda like back some time ago when a TV station was using and broadcasting video material downloaded from a community website I'm affiliated with, and when cornered went all "Oh but you violated OUR rights by recording our program which contained your video"...


I'm afraid the only waterproof way is to wait and see what (if anything at all) X1 is going to finally have the publisher sell. The bad news is that a lawsuit in such matters is a pain in the aft section. :shifty:

Or not...

JCC

Uh...I knew this was gonna happen. Don't get me wrong John. I do not intend on actually doing what I wrote. I think it's bad enough what X1 did to this community and I've made my decision concerning 'Seawolves' anyway (I WON'T buy it) but it still does feel good to kick'em while they're down :D

I like thinking this community is large/powerful enough to have an impact on the X1 heretics ability to pull a profit out of their bogus venture.

This IS the biggest Submarine Sim community around right? ....

Right.

lol... More than a few here have ways of "depth charging" them/X1.

In his best Al Pacino voice...

Everytime I think this thread is gone THEY DRAG IT BACK UP!

JCC

in another Pachino voice

Say hello to our little friend! :rotfl:

JCC,

The answer of course is that unrequited desires for revenge are among the strongest of human emotions. Stronger perhaps than loyalty, friendship or love.

I have to fight it myself. SF disabled my cd writer but I have a workaround that is no more inconvenient than the ridiculous way I have to boot and configure my system anyway.

My old man used to tell me that "You have to pick your battles, you won't win them all." This battle is over for me. I have my workaround and my determination not to spend money on anything that includes SF in the future. No big deal. There are many greater tragedys in the world.

JBC