Please stop the baiting, that´s the second time you try that today...

Katrina's initial failures were the result of recent government re-shuffles of departments under homeland security and mis-communications. The press made it look worse than it was. If you ask me how I know, I lived near there at the time in Houston. I went there with supplies and to help.

There were billions of dollars spent housing, feeding and rebuilding after the initial frenzy. It's only the foolish that think that America "didn't care". That's just an assinine uneducated statement.

Do you do anything to help? Did your country? Did you do anything to help the tsunami victims, the earthquake victims, and any other natural disaster that happens anywhere in the world? If you haven't noticed, the US is usually the first in line to offer a helping hand.

Private planes are allowed to fly because the pilot is an American. General aviation has been around since the first airplane flight took place [in America] and it is a hobby and convenience Americans enjoy, myself included. I'm a private pilot.

America isn't going to run scared every time something bad happens. We aren't going to curtail any of our enjoyed freedoms because of some lunatic who exploited a vulnerability. If you knew how much harder it is for me to just grab a flight on any given weekend now, you'd know better. Airport security is tighter at general aviation airports now, tighter than commercial in my opinion.


Sure, things aren't perfect here, but they are sure a hell of a lot better than other countries. Why don't you go pick on them?

:rotfl: I just assumed that you would be smart enough to see across all polls that the Republicans are lagging. I would think that even Ray Charles would see that that would also incompass national security.
If you want you could tag it with the Bush approval rating.

Once again, where did I say otherwise?
I'm beginning to believe that Ray Charles could read better than you. :cool:

You don't trust Fox? I thought it was the republican heartbeat.

I'd say you weren't right. But I would assume that that statement is just a dig.

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They can fly along the river without a flight plan. Other then that you have to register a flight plan. The thinking behind the accident is that he was flying a high performance aircraft and was going too fast in the turn and hence ran into the building.

I think it's the ability to see that 2+2 equals 4. :)

If I were to post 100 threads on how bad Germany's governemt, or any other countries governments suck, or make general hate statements towards any Euro country, I'd be censored and banned.

But if anyone slams the US, or Americans in general, it's deemed acceptable, and now, encouraged. This thread, along with many other like it, are baiting. baiting, and hating, Americans.

I fail to see how you think Germany or Japan after WW2 are comparable with Iraq now, or even 1 day after it was declared by your Commander-in-Chief that the mission was accomplished.

Isn't that the reason why any party or president is gotten rid of "Because they blow"? They aren't going to be ousted if they are doing a good job.
Kind of a dorky article.

I couldn't care much for the article myself. But once again, I was making a specific point and you've dragged out a generality which is not the point that was discussed.

We miss ya, Ray. :cool:

Because a tyrant was removed from power and a new government was formed. That took time, it didn't happen overnight.

The only difference between Iraq and Germany/Japan was the difference between reactive and proactive response.

International troops are still present in both those countries to this day. Nobody is crying foul over it.

I most strongly disagree. Nazi Germany was vanquished. Islam is alive, well and thriving in Iraq and everywhere around the world.

Every day Republicans blame Clinton or the Democrats for everything gone wrong, yet it's been six years since Clinton was president. It's because of the Republican record that they are going to loose. The congress has been titled the "Do nothing congress". They don't say that for a congress that is doing it's job.

:doh: What point are we discussing? That the poll doesn't actually say "National Security"? I would think that if Americans felt that safe the President wouldn't set so far down in the poll's.
Or if we aren't discussing that, what are we discussing?:huh:

Before interfering with an ongoing debate, please make sure you red the thread carefully.

I did not told anybody what Americans think, but it is American polling institutes doing so. To their findings I refer.

Noone said that demcrats place a higher priority on security than republicans. The polls since mid spetmeber show that public opinion in the Us has rated democart's competence as higher for the first time since many years, as far as I do know) than that of the republicans (for whom security usually is a safe bank).

Thanks for shooting the messenger (again). If I would get a dollar for every bullet that hit me in the last three years, I would be a rich man today.

Relax. You won´t find many people here that hate Americans and Skybird is most certainly not one of them. He criticises certain aspects of the US government (and also his own and many others) and his intention is not to bait anyone.

After Hitler was removed, a new government was formed. Same thing in Japan. It didn't happen overnight, it takes hard work and patience.[/quote]

How often do you plan to repeat this thinking mistake, August?

Japan and Germany were totally defenseless and crushed, the many possible - and now present - resistances in Iraq never were, plus the interference frommoutside.

And what is even more important - you are talking about three totally, completely, 100%ly different cultures. If you thought that Iraq woudl work, because Germany worked, than you are really a fool. Look beyond your schemes - your set is far too limited in scope. iraq is a lost war. And Afghanistan is about to be lost if you/we do not put immediate urgency on shifting ressources from the k,lost case Iraq to Afghnaistan. Instead I see a growing tendency of America silently leaving Afghanistan behind and leave it to the stupid Europeans to clean up the mess behind them - which will be beyond NATOs abilities and bring the troops there into extreme trouble sooner or later.

You cannot have both wars a win anymore. If you want both, you will loose both. If you put priority on Iraq (like in the last years) you also will loose both. If you shift priuority from Iraq to Afghnaistan, you will still have lost Iraq, but will have an - already extremely grim - chance to save what is to be saved in Afghanistan. Choice should be easy, I think. That would also mean to rethink western stand towards Pakistan.