Played some more games (in fact I played the whole night lol)

You changed stuff on the SA so maybe this is related:
Next to the issue I mentioned above (not being able to assign a tracker) I now had 2 games where the SA showed a signal on BB before the TA did! Funny enough those signals were not visible in NB. It was a SW vs Sw vs 688 game. I had both subs on SA for like 20 minutes but not on TA. Even though they were visible I couldnt assign a tracker. I came closer and closer until (SW) was really very close (<1nm) but still not possible to assign a tracker on BB SA. I did a snap and killed him. <s> mc_scow_sailor.
Something is broken I believe. Or it is my LWAMI install. But what could possibly go wrong? There are no DB errors.

I pressed print screen several times, but when I just checked the folder there were none. :(

Dang, just saw its HOME not print screen...

I tried to reproduce in singleplayer and although it was slightly different in MP I got my main prob on tape.
I will upload it in a sec.

Here it is
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Its DivX so its not getting to big (16mb).
You might have to increase the size and brightness cause its rather dark.

Oh and please ignore me clicking on Tracker Assign in NB without selecting a frequency, stupid me...

Jo, did you try a fresh install?

Guys, if you get database warnings entering the game room, just DON'T start a game untill you find the reason and resolve it :)
From the start I though you get no warnings and still strange things happened - if there were warnings then databases WERE different and then absolutely no wonder that strange things happened :D

The ONLY question then is why databases are different (IF they were installed correctly).

Luftwolf, is it possible that SOMEHOW people have different versions of 2.03 ? Like mod sent to Bill and later replaced by another one ?
Maybe everyone should delete what they have and download it again, to be sure what they have ?

Well, I did increase the sensitivity of the SA... perhaps too much for the interface to handle, that's why you can't assign a tracker.

I'm concerned foremost about the random corruption problems, because that means something is "wrong."

In terms of the gameplay issues, yes, these probably need to be looked at, but at least it is simply a matter of what has been entered into the database.

Have you guys seen anymore of the random issues?

In terms of the performance of the SA vs. the TA.

The sphere array BB is designed to be much clearer than than the TA BB. Strong low frequency TA NB contacts won't have much of a distinct trace on the TA. The SA on the other hand, will display bright BB contacts on the long term, before there are distinct traces on the NB.

However, the TA should ALWAYS have a low frequency NB trace before it is picked up on SA BB. However, the difficulty is this: the TA NB contacts can be much harded to spot when using the interface, especially if the contrast on your monitor is not set correctly and you are scanning too quickly. However, a BB trace on the long term display is very hard to miss.

I've tested the sonars under a number of different conditions, with quiet contacts and with loud contacts, and the contacts always showed up first on the TA NB. However, I had the advantage of knowing where they are... so it made it easier to see the faintest trace on the NB display. For example, a Collins at 5kts will be picked up by the TB-29 at about 10nm and the SW SA will pick it up on the long term NB at about 5nm. However, the difference in the ability of the operator to distinguish these signals is very different (easier for SA BB).

In terms of the tracker issue, yes I did notice that some contacts on the BB can be seen on long term before you can assign a tracker, however, I've had this problem with stock DW as well, so I didn't think it had anything to do with the sensitivity. Personally, I'm not so worried about this issue, as long as at SOMETIME you can assign a tracker.

Like I said, these changes were fairly major, perhaps too major, and gameplay testing will decide their fate, this is a normal process... however, the issues with random corruption keep me up at night worrying about what has happened, and are NOT part of the normal process, so I am most interested right now in these problems, if they keep occuring.

Please keep the feedback coming! :up:

In the vid you can see that the signal is on SA BB long time before it is on TA BB.

I couldn't watch the video for some reason.

It should show up on the TA NARROWBand before it shows up on the SA BroadBand... and if you don't have your contrast set right, you won't see it on the NB.

The BB performance of the TA is not so great, in the mod, and according to my information, in real life as well. Many quiet targets won't show a BB trace on the TA, depending on the acoustic conditions, and this hasn't been changed in our mod (the TA sensitivties were already set pretty good...).

The video is divx, if you want I can use another codec, but it will increase the MB.

It's not the codec that's the problem... I'm not sure, I just can't access it. :hmm:

In any case, if you are having an issue picking up NB contacts, you should probably adjust the contrast on your monitor... I seem to remember Fish posting a screen shot where he said he couldn't see the NB trace at all, only assign a tracker, and most people on the forum saw the trace lit up like an Christmas tree. :hmm:

There should be a file in your DW folder that is a screen-test shot, for you to tune your monitor.

Other than that, I don't know what to say... again, I can't reproduce what you are saying.

Keep this in mind:

1) all contacts with a NB signature should show up on the TA's long before you have a BB trace on either the TA or the SA.

2) The BB traces for the TA aren't so great, especially when there is a lot of background noise.

3) The SA BB will light up more brightly than your TA BB in virtually every case in which you have a strong signal on both arrays.

4) Due to the setting of the interface, you can't assign a BB tracker on the SA until you have a very high SNR, but you still can assign the NB trackers (this is not ideal, but I can't change it, nor do I think it is a reason to revert the SA's back to a less sensitive, and virtually useless, sensitivity).

I hope this helps... if, after adjusting your monitor contrast, you STILL find the SA's to be more sensitive, keeping in mind what I have posted here and in other threads, please give me the specific details of the situation, or, better yet, PM so I can give you my email and you can send me the saved game, saved at the exact moment you are experiencing this.

Thanks! I'd be very interested to see if there are any conditions under which the SA would outperform the TA.

Yes fish i have reinsatlled loads of times and i still get misalingment and TASM in tube prob.

I have just watched the video and it was a very bright contact that you could not mark. Others that where not so bright where markable. I noticed though that when you put cursor over it there was no range on the WAA sonar and no SNR. Others that seemed less bright had WAA ranges and some SNR. Seems like the contact was showing up but shere couldnt yet see it. Weird :hmm:

Kapitains DB error marathon has ended. we fixed him. :lol:

Please please tell me what is was! :hmm:

Like I said, please PM me if you have a game saved at a moment when this is happening, and I will check it out on my system. :hmm: :up: