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Cheapskate 10-25-05 12:44 PM

Re: You can't save mid carreer with 98?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery
Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones
It's not a problem but a conscious design choice. Making it Win98 compatible means losing enhancements for WinXP/2000 users, or at the very least, rewriting the code to exclude features that won't work on Win98, meaning as Beery says, less time for adding new features. Either way, I don't think (supported) WinXP/2000 users will be happy...

Hehe, I can see it now:

Quote:

Final version of SH3 Commander now available!

Commander bio feature removed.
Removed "Use real ship names" option.
Removed realistic crew transfers option.
Various deletions and feature cut-backs.
Win98 now supported!
:arrgh!:


Mum....MUM! Come here quick! Beery is laughing at us! :cry:

zoinks 10-26-05 01:10 AM

been building pc's since 286's and mfm hard drives.
operating systems i've used:
dos 5.0 thru dos 6.2
win 3.1
win 95
win 98
win 2000
win me(i include this because microsoft confirms it as an os; go look on their web site if you don't believe me)
ntfs 4.0
win xp pro

os recommended for home gaming pc: win xp pro

the thing that gets me most about this thread - what is so bad about win xp that makes it not an option? this is confusing to me probably because i know its the best option. but i DO want to hear the horror stories that are making you so reluctant...and leave your mom out of this!

gdogghenrikson 10-26-05 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by zoinks
been building pc's since 286's and mfm hard drives.
operating systems i've used:
dos 5.0 thru dos 6.2
win 3.1
win 95
win 98
win 2000
win me(i include this because microsoft confirms it as an os; go look on their web site if you don't believe me)
ntfs 4.0
win xp pro

os recommended for home gaming pc: win xp pro

the thing that gets me most about this thread - what is so bad about win xp that makes it not an option? this is confusing to me probably because i know its the best option. but i DO want to hear the horror stories that are making you so reluctant...and leave your mom out of this!


huh..here is what I have used and my thoughts

Win 95..it was ok
win 98.. second worst OS I have used
win 2000 pro.good OS(second best OS I Have used)
Win ME..worst OS I Have ever used(lots of blue screen of death) :rotfl:
Win XP pro.. windows best OS.. IMHO (well I have had the least problems with this OS)

JScones 10-26-05 02:41 AM

Re: You can't save mid carreer with 98?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery
Hehe, I can see it now:

Quote:

Final version of SH3 Commander now available!

Commander bio feature removed.
Removed "Use real ship names" option.
Removed realistic crew transfers option.
Various deletions and feature cut-backs.
Win98 now supported!
:arrgh!:

:rotfl: Note to self: do not read such comments with a mouth full of scotch...

The Avon Lady 10-26-05 02:44 AM

Re: You can't save mid carreer with 98?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery
Hehe, I can see it now:

Quote:

Final version of SH3 Commander now available!

Commander bio feature removed.
Removed "Use real ship names" option.
Removed realistic crew transfers option.
Various deletions and feature cut-backs.
Win98 now supported!
:arrgh!:

:rotfl: Note to self: do not read such comments with a mouth full of scotch...

Glad to hear you can still read. :doh:

kiwi_2005 10-26-05 03:15 AM

My OS order:

Unix
Dos
Win95
Win98se
Win2k
Linux Mandrake, redhat, SuSe and Dragon Lunix
WinXP Pro Drive C & Vista beta (longhorn) on second drive.

Favourite all time OS....drum roll....Windows2000 (with SP4)

Amazing how alot of threads lean away from the main topic :)

Col7777 10-26-05 03:19 AM

That's the spirit, hic. :)

Cheapskate 10-26-05 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoinks
been building pc's since 286's and mfm hard drives.
operating systems i've used:
dos 5.0 thru dos 6.2
win 3.1
win 95
win 98
win 2000
win me(i include this because microsoft confirms it as an os; go look on their web site if you don't believe me)
ntfs 4.0
win xp pro

os recommended for home gaming pc: win xp pro

the thing that gets me most about this thread - what is so bad about win xp that makes it not an option? this is confusing to me probably because i know its the best option. but i DO want to hear the horror stories that are making you so reluctant...and leave your mom out of this!

Well, nothing ,I suppose - just prejudice and good old fashioned resistance to radical change! Seeing a list of all the OS you worked with made me go all nostalgic. DOS 5 with PCTools......mmmmmm now that was a system. Who really needed Windows at all? If I wanted a GUI - would've bought a Mac! And don't forget DOS 3 -came on a 720k floppy and only used about half of that!

Dunno why Beery and JJ are getting all farty about a simple little adjustment to make SH3 Cmdr run on Win 98. Must be child's play for whiz kids like them! Now if we'd asked for a DOS 3 version they might have something to complain about!

Got to leave my mum out of it for the moment, more's the pity, her wheelchair has got a flat! Just wait til my dad gets home though!

Beery 10-26-05 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheapskate
Dunno why Beery and JJ are getting all farty about a simple little adjustment to make SH3 Cmdr run on Win 98. Must be child's play for whiz kids like them!

If it was child's play, we would have done it gladly by now, if only to have some peace. :damn:

Now come on, everyone's telling you to upgrade, and we've yet to hear your XP and Win2000 horror stories. I'm beginning to suspect you have some sort of weird Win98 fetish.

Cheapskate 10-26-05 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
My OS order:

Unix
Dos
Win95
Win98se
Win2k
Linux Mandrake, redhat, SuSe and Dragon Lunix
WinXP Pro Drive C & Vista beta (longhorn) on second drive.

Favourite all time OS....drum roll....Windows2000 (with SP4)

Amazing how alot of threads lean away from the main topic :)

Sorry for "leaning" off topic mate. I was just trying to get some info on a system that would let me run SH3 Cmdr without installing another invasive, spyware ridden application - I've already got one of those which came FOC with SH3 :) so I don't think I strayed too far. Just thought all you experienced computer buffs could help. Bloody good job I didn't hold my breath waiting for an answer though! :-j Still I've found a brilliant technical advice forum - 5 answers within 30 mins after I posted the query - and all good detailed stuff too! Upgrade to NTFS now proceeding.
Interesting you mentioned Win 2000 with SP4 - doesn't that turn it into a poor mans version of XP?

Beery: Thanks for the info on what wouldn't be in a win98 version. Wouldn't be much without all those features. I'm not going to tell my dad about you now.!

Cheapskate 10-26-05 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheapskate
Dunno why Beery and JJ are getting all farty about a simple little adjustment to make SH3 Cmdr run on Win 98. Must be child's play for whiz kids like them!

If it was child's play, we would have done it gladly by now, if only to have some peace. :damn:

Now come on, everyone's telling you to upgrade, and we've yet to hear your XP and Win2000 horror stories. I'm beginning to suspect you have some sort of weird Win98 fetish.

Fetish ......MOI? What are you suggesting Sir! Yes, I suppose I have become attached to 98SE. With the unofficial service pack applied it really is very stable, no more wrong reporting of drive sizes, support for external USB devices, Tweak UI included, 98 over 512 mb memory probs sorted, nice blue Win2k desktop. Plus I think it runs win95 games OK. I'll have to dig out my copy of Omikron ( hate to think how many hours I spent playing that!) to be sure. Don't think I'll be any good at it now though. Reflexes aren't what they used to be and I only beat those demons by luck first time round.

Don't really have any horror stories about XP or 2k. Have had about 2 short sessions on XP and I can't find where anything is!
No experience at all on 2k - although I've stuck my neck out and bought a copy of 2k Pro. I guess I'm just an inveterate late adopter and unnaturally cautious - some would say paranoid -with some justification I'm afraid.

kiwi_2005 10-26-05 06:56 AM

Quote:

Interesting you mentioned Win 2000 with SP4 - doesn't that turn it into a poor mans version of XP?
Yes and win98 is the poor mans version of WinME :-j

If you upgrade you will find your games run better. Compared to Win98....way better.

Cheapskate 10-26-05 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
Quote:

Interesting you mentioned Win 2000 with SP4 - doesn't that turn it into a poor mans version of XP?
Yes and win98 is the poor mans version of WinME :-j

If you upgrade you will find your games run better. Compared to Win98....way better.

Hah! Not my version of 98SE - see previous post! It's way better than ME. Not far short of XP now but without the bloat and a nice familiar GUI. Problem is, a lot of inconsiderate perishers won't support it!

kiwi_2005 10-26-05 07:32 AM

One thing i remeber about Win98se is we used it at work as the Server OS, back when win98 & se was state of the art material. Back then to have win98 as a server OS was a no no, as NT4 was the business OS choice but we were happy to stick with win98se. And she did the job well. Then of course we upgraded to win2k later.

Cheapskate 10-26-05 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
One thing i remeber about Win98se is we used it at work as the Server OS, back when win98 & se was state of the art material. Back then to have win98 as a server OS was a no no, as NT4 was the business OS choice but we were happy to stick with win98se. And she did the job well. Then of course we upgraded to win2k later.

I'm really happy with it too - particularly with unofficial service pack-that really does make one hell of a difference! The guy who compiled that upgrade deserves a medal.

Anyhow I've decided the way to go - I've got a fair amount of upgrade stuff ( you've got to buy nearly everything when you upgrade a M/B now) . So if I keep the old bits instead of junking them, add another case & a few other bits - I've got another computer!
Will keep 98SE on that for old game compatibility - I think Win2k has a few probs in that area??? And keep the new computer for new generation games - like SH3 - that need NTFS. This assumes of course , that there are some that don't have a protection system like the current version of SF!

Might want to pick your brains about the service packs though if that's OK with you?

kiwi_2005 10-26-05 03:34 PM

Well what i can tell you is with Win2k and SPK 3 and up games are playable on this OS. I have the OEM version of WinXP Pro and it seems to have DLL problems compared to the retail version. I had alot of trouble updating my version of winxp pro to SPK 2, until i was notified by microsoft that the OEM version doesn't like certain DLLs so you have to manually deleted them to make way for others. If you dont do this later on your get a "unable to find file" error on startup, which means winxp will not load and a reinstall is the only option. :damn:

kiwi_2005 10-26-05 06:34 PM

Berry when i try too DL Commander 2.2 from the link you gave me, the DL gets to 29mbs then restarts :damn: the DL again? Its done it twice so i gave up for now and am DL the IUB 1.1 mod which is going to take me about 12hrs using a 56k :roll:

Beery 10-26-05 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
Berry when i try too DL Commander 2.2 from the link you gave me, the DL gets to 29mbs then restarts :damn: the DL again? Its done it twice so i gave up for now and am DL the IUB 1.1 mod which is going to take me about 12hrs using a 56k :roll:

You're using a 56k modem? Ouch!

Perhaps time to consider Getright - when I had a 56k modem it was essential.

kiwi_2005 10-26-05 06:45 PM

Ive heard of Getright, i might try it after this DL. I never use to DL much until i got SH3 and then all these mods started coming out. :)

Gotta make the switch to Broadband

Beery 10-26-05 06:59 PM

I'm pretty sure it's a free download (it always used to be). It's at http://www.getright.com/. Once you get it you'll never want to download without it (until you get cable that is).


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