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Poprav 09-05-24 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco (Post 2925209)
hmmm...i'll wager that you like to alt-tab away from SH4 to do other things and then return?

Nope, man. Always running the game with no alt-tabs. (pretty much aware it glitches the process).

And as for the lifeguarding. :Kaleun_Binocular:
The way it goes in Submarine School and in real campaign mission(s) is a ONE GREAT DIFFERENCE ALL RIGHT. (Tested myself today again)

1) At school basic blue squares (assumed stabilized) normally pop up on navigation map when you're within reach. Visible red smoke shows the pilot position. But racing boat speed flyers (TC 8+) present even there. Well, it's a go anyway. Catching up with them at TC4 or real time troubles me not.

2)The Campaign Lifeguarding is QUITE THE OTHER THING.: ABSOLUTELY!!!
Once tried to rescue three dudes north east off the Luzone. Received a nightly with their coordinates. Happily found one, hoped for another two. Plowed the entire water area up 'n' down but... NOTHING:oops:.

Next repeat was a year or two later (game time) south east off Davao. With the same outcome. With one man rescued.

And finally this. Blue Triangle(s) appear on nav map. Stabilized but with "speed - very fast/ direction - SE {in my case}" inscription. :o
(Normally they move on the same map at very fast speed as the plane in visibility). :hmmm: Trying to approach. A couple of bomber figures (grey coloured beyond the visibility) proceeding down their way appears on the map and... vanishes a minute later. Further searches yielded no results. For weeks.

:k_confused: What the///:/\\!! :Kaleun_Mad:

P.S. No Alt-Tabs. By the way. Each game reload from desktop. No game menue.
The original (stock) game rescue missions were one of my favorites. Always lucky with plenty of saved may-day boys.
Can't say that at present day... Mission Uncomplishable!
Guess I'm in distress now myself... Please, Help!!!:exclamation:

KaleunMarco 09-05-24 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poprav (Post 2925227)
Nope, man. Always running the game with no alt-tabs. (pretty much aware it glitches the process).

And as for the lifeguarding. :Kaleun_Binocular:
The way it goes in Submarine School and in real campaign mission(s) is a ONE GREAT DIFFERENCE ALL RIGHT. (Tested myself today again)

1) At school basic blue squares (assumed stabilized) normally pop up on navigation map when you're within reach. Visible red smoke shows the pilot position. But racing boat speed flyers (TC 8+) present even there. Well, it's a go anyway. Catching up with them at TC4 or real time troubles me not.

2)The Campaign Lifeguarding is QUITE THE OTHER THING.: ABSOLUTELY!!!
Once tried to rescue three dudes north east off the Luzone. Received a nightly with their coordinates. Happily found one, hoped for another two. Plowed the entire water area up 'n' down but... NOTHING:oops:.

Next repeat was a year or two later (game time) south east off Davao. With the same outcome. With one man rescued.

And finally this. Blue Triangle(s) appear on nav map. Stabilized but with "speed - very fast/ direction - SE {in my case}" inscription. :o
(Normally they move on the same map at very fast speed as the plane in visibility). :hmmm: Trying to approach. A couple of bomber figures (grey coloured beyond the visibility) proceeding down their way appears on the map and... vanishes a minute later. Further searches yielded no results.

:k_confused: What the///:/\\!! :Kaleun_Mad:

P.S. No Alt-Tabs. By the way. Each game reload from desktop. No game menue.
The original game rescue missions were one of my favorites. Always lucky with plenty of saved may-day boys.
Can't say that at present day... Mission Uncomplishable!
Guess I'm in distress now myself... Please, Help!!!:exclamation:


it would be instructive to know which mission you are executing, from the CareerTrack.upc.

propbeanie 09-05-24 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poprav (Post 2925227)
Nope, man. Always running the game with no alt-tabs. (pretty much aware it glitches the process).

And as for the lifeguarding. :Kaleun_Binocular:
The way it goes in Submarine School and in real campaign mission(s) is a ONE GREAT DIFFERENCE ALL RIGHT. (Tested myself today again)

1) At school basic blue squares (assumed stabilized) normally pop up on navigation map when you're within reach. Visible red smoke shows the pilot position. But racing boat speed flyers (TC 8+) present even there. Well, it's a go anyway. Catching up with them at TC4 or real time troubles me not.

2)The Campaign Lifeguarding is QUITE THE OTHER THING.: ABSOLUTELY!!!
Once tried to rescue three dudes north east off the Luzone. Received a nightly with their coordinates. Happily found one, hoped for another two. Plowed the entire water area up 'n' down but... NOTHING:oops:.

Next repeat was a year or two later (game time) south east off Davao. With the same outcome. With one man rescued.

And finally this. Blue Triangle(s) appear on nav map. Stabilized but with "speed - very fast/ direction - SE {in my case}" inscription. :o
(Normally they move on the same map at very fast speed as the plane in visibility). :hmmm: Trying to approach. A couple of bomber figures (grey coloured beyond the visibility) proceeding down their way appears on the map and... vanishes a minute later. Further searches yielded no results. For weeks.

:k_confused: What the///:/\\!! :Kaleun_Mad:

P.S. No Alt-Tabs. By the way. Each game reload from desktop. No game menue.
The original (stock) game rescue missions were one of my favorites. Always lucky with plenty of saved may-day boys.
Can't say that at present day... Mission Uncomplishable!
Guess I'm in distress now myself... Please, Help!!!:exclamation:

Lifeguarding in SH4 is NOT real life, of course, but in FotRSU, we attempted to set the missions up to be slightly closer to "real life", in that most submarines did not pick-up but a few zoomie flyboys, so unless you get a mission off of Truk, or some of the other scenarios where there are a lot of "survivors", you most often won't get any of them. There were boats sent out on lifeguard that went days without a single airplane being shot down, hence no pilots to pick-up. Unfortunately, there is no way in the SH4 game to "complete" a lifeguard mission based upon "time", so when you end up with a mission calling for your boat to do Standby Lifeguard Duty, and there are no pilot survivors to pickup, it does not give you a completed mission. There are also instances where the survivors drift (as you've seen), and they can and do drift outside of the designated pickup "zone", and those do not count toward the lifeguard Objective, in spite of you actually rescuing them, which is another SH4 failing. We have attempted a slight re-working of the "logic" used in building some of the Lifeguard missions in the next version, but it is still unsatisfactory. We will keep trying to make the missions better though. Have you noticed that the more Time Compression you use, the faster the survivors drift?? 32xTC, and they'll be over the horizon before you can blink... :doh: Also, be aware that with some of the missions, there will be enemy planes that can and will attack you, but there will also sometimes be simulated SCAP (Submarine Combat Air Patrol) and sometimes "Dumbo" planes, which might be a B-17, PB4Y-1 or -2, or B-29 (yellow stripes on the 17 & 29 tails), so you definitely want to identify the airplanes as soon as possible... :arrgh!: Also, look in the "Support \ExtraInfo" folder for a "SS05 InsertionRescueTraining.pdf" file with a bit more info on the task...

Poprav 09-06-24 12:20 AM

GUYS! Propbeanie! Aktungbby! Marco! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! AND I MEAN IT!!!
FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!!!

I must confess. The idea that zoomers rescue is not a piece of cake came to me once or twice. But (oh! these butts:haha:) the wish to be a hero of every mission pushed it out of my arrogant 'n' boastful mind every time:oops: Thanks for dragging me back down on Mother Earth from shaky Stairway to Heaven:)

Proppie, You're the BEST! :yeah: As the others too!:up:

Poprav 09-06-24 02:57 AM

As for the Blue "Bermuda" :) Triangle
to whom it may concern
https://disk.yandex.ru/d/KfAdLnGkiVG2rg
__________________________________________________ _____________

Wolves of the Pacific v1.3 + U-Boat Add-On v.1.5 (Cloud download)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
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propbeanie 09-06-24 01:53 PM

The best thing to do when an objective fails to finish for you, is to find a ship or two, and sink them, which is what you did there... :yeah:

Poprav 01-15-25 07:30 AM

Hi folks!
April 44. Tambor. Transfer from Pearl to Majuro. Start new patrol. But... there's no sign of the Home Base on the nav map. :06:Only multiple signs of supply bases all over the world (including Majuro). In spite of the only one with the Slanted Blue Anchor having string around it.

Eventually Can't end my patrol. One way ticket. A no return sub...

Please, Help..!

https://yadi.sk/i/-wfT8w80Z0jH1Q
https://disk.yandex.ru/i/p9SnqJVrFWbxQg
https://disk.yandex.ru/i/HbSgNOhyqd_AIg

P.S. Transfers from Pearl to Brisbane, Fremantle and Midway are OK.

propbeanie 01-15-25 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poprav (Post 2940330)
Hi folks!
April 44. Tambor. Transfer from Pearl to Majuro. Start new patrol. But... there's no sign of the Home Base on the nav map. :06:Only multiple signs of supply bases all over the world (including Majuro). In spite of the only one with the Slanted Blue Anchor having string around it.

Eventually Can't end my patrol. One way ticket. A no return sub...

Please, Help..!

[pics]

P.S. Transfers from Pearl to Brisbane, Fremantle and Midway are OK.

Majuro seems to be one of several problem children in the mod with various boats. What date in April 1944 did you try to transfer your Tambor there, do you remember? Did the home base 'disappear' as soon as you left port? Have you ever edited the Save folder files for the game? Do you know the path to your Save game folder? The default location is C:\Users \UserName \Documents \SH4, with UserName being what you log into your computer with, and the Documents might be My Documents, and there might be a OneDrive folder added in, if you have had OneDrive running on your computer...

:salute:

Poprav 01-26-25 06:08 AM

Quote:

Majuro seems to be one of several problem children in the mod with various boats. What date in April 1944 did you try to transfer your Tambor there, do you remember? Did the home base 'disappear' as soon as you left port? Have you ever edited the Save folder files for the game? Do you know the path to your Save game folder? The default location is C:\Users \UserName \Documents \SH4, with UserName being what you log into your computer with, and the Documents might be My Documents, and there might be a OneDrive folder added in, if you have had OneDrive running on your computer...
Sorry for long silence. Radio jamms..:):03: Guess I occasionly overwrited my previous save.. Sorry. Forget the April, 44.:timeout:

Twas July 13, 44 when I got transfered from Midway to Majuro. There was Absolutely NO HOME BASE ICON on map as soon as the new patrol started (August 2, 44). Supply bases only. Hence nothing disappeared when ocean bound.

Save folder link https://disk.yandex.ru/d/0vD5Lj0LI1rJlA

P.S. And Proppie.. Thanks for still messing with me))

Poprav 01-26-25 06:19 AM

Quote:

Majuro seems to be one of several problem children in the mod with various boats. What date in April 1944 did you try to transfer your Tambor there, do you remember? Did the home base 'disappear' as soon as you left port? Have you ever edited the Save folder files for the game? Do you know the path to your Save game folder? The default location is C:\Users \UserName \Documents \SH4, with UserName being what you log into your computer with, and the Documents might be My Documents, and there might be a OneDrive folder added in, if you have had OneDrive running on your computer...
Sorry for long silence. Radio jamms..:):03: Guess I occasionly overwrited my previous save.. Sorry. Forget the April, 44.:timeout:

Twas July 13, 44 when I got transfered from Midway to Majuro. Upgraded Tambor to Gato. There was Absolutely NO HOME BASE ICON on map as soon as the new patrol started (August 2, 44). Supply bases only. Majuro included. Hence nothing disappeared when ocean bound.

Save folder link https://disk.yandex.ru/d/0vD5Lj0LI1rJlA

P.S. And Proppie.. Thanks for still messing with me))

propbeanie 01-26-25 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poprav (Post 2941530)
Sorry for long silence. Radio jamms..:):03: Guess I occasionly overwrited my previous save.. Sorry. Forget the April, 44.:timeout:

Twas July 13, 44 when I got transfered from Midway to Majuro. There was Absolutely NO HOME BASE ICON on map as soon as the new patrol started (August 2, 44). Supply bases only. Hence nothing disappeared when ocean bound.

Save folder link https://disk.yandex.ru/d/0vD5Lj0LI1rJlA

P.S. And Proppie.. Thanks for still messing with me))

Well, that 00000019 folder is a Porpoise "default" start save, and does not have any Tambor data in it. Do you have a folder from just before you transferred from Pearl to Majuro? Pearl where you came from, Majuro where you went, and Saipan where the Tambor goes to on 3rd July, 1944 all look fine, so see if your Home Port isn't Saipan, over by Guam. But realistically, it should not have offered you Majuro, but rather Saipan, if you asked after the 3rd of July... The area is still contested, so you might find some Japanese shore guns still active in the area... but if Saipan is not your home port, find the Save folder just before you departed Pearl, and post that. :salute:

Poprav 01-27-25 02:16 AM

Quote:

Well, that 00000019 folder is a Porpoise "default" start save, and does not have any Tambor data in it. Do you have a folder from just before you transferred from Pearl to Majuro? Pearl where you came from, Majuro where you went, and Saipan where the Tambor goes to on 3rd July, 1944 all look fine, so see if your Home Port isn't Saipan, over by Guam. But realistically, it should not have offered you Majuro, but rather Saipan, if you asked after the 3rd of July... The area is still contested, so you might find some Japanese shore guns still active in the area... but if Saipan is not your home port, find the Save folder just before you departed Pearl, and post that.
Hi, Propbie.
Sorry for that mistake with my save files.

That must be the one we're looking for:
https://disk.yandex.ru/d/SKro0zuATIsRLQ
Hope, You'll have enough strength to clean up this mess:)

propbeanie 01-27-25 11:06 AM

I would not consider this as a "mess" per se, but rather "deep research" in an attempt to find out what transpires in this game to cause issues like this, and then maybe prevent future issues with other players. With that, here is what I found in your Save game data (warning: detail and verbosity ensues).

In the CareerTrack file, your Captain's name is Basil G. Ross, and started on 7th December 1941 in Cavite with the USS S-34 (SS-139) boat... You then went to Darwin Australia and shortly after, Albany and probably passed through to the Brisbane base by 15 April, 1942. It is difficult to convert the "location" coordinates, but it looks like you sank an entire Task Force... lol - You were then sent to Dutch Harbor on the 1st of May, 1942. It is nice to see those assignments following as intended, but we do know from earlier player encounters, that the S-boats sometimes have an incorrect conning tower. Perhaps that contributes to what you encountered?? dunno. Anyway, you were promoted to Commander there in September 1943. You did the entire Alaska Campaign, and were transferred to Pearl on 22nd December 1943, still in the same S-34 boat. It looks like you had a very productive patrol on your last cruise from Dutch Harbor, finally docking at Pearl on the 26th of January, 1944. You were then given command of the USS Trout (SS-202), a Tambor Class boat, and went on patrol. You were then assigned to Midway and went on patrol 11th of June, 1944 and returned to Midway on 12th of July, 1944, when you were then given the USS Gato - which is where an error crops into the data... but why?? dunno. "NameDisplayable" stuff usual means little in the data. It is for the human eyes. Note the below differences between when you got the Trout, and then the Gato? The "Save system" does not show how the base change is initiated, but it does show a transfer to Majuro Atoll on 13 July, 1944, with a patrol start on 2nd August same, and the data ends. So, the game data shows you are currently assigned to Majuro, on 2nd August, 1944, which we KNOW is erroneous. I do not see how it did that... Current assignment is to Luzon Straits from a CenPac mission... So - I have edited the Save folder files to add another base change, and we'll see how this does for you.
Previous Flotilla and Base change:
[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 261]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_OfferNewCommand
NameDisplayable=
CurrentDate=1944-01-27 07:53:10
OfferedUserPlayerUnitIDLink=S18

[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 262]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_NewCommand
NameDisplayable=USS Trout (SS-202)
CurrentDate=1944-01-27 07:53:10
UserPlayerInstanceDisplayableName=USS Trout (SS-202)
UserPlayerUnitIDLink=Tambor

Last Flotilla and Base change:
[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 372]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_OfferNewCommand
NameDisplayable=
CurrentDate=1944-07-13 12:35:24
OfferedUserPlayerUnitIDLink=Tambor

[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 373]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_NewCommand
NameDisplayable=USS Gato *** missing "(SS-212)" ***
CurrentDate=1944-07-13 12:35:24
UserPlayerInstanceDisplayableName=USS Gato *** missing "(SS-212)" ***
UserPlayerUnitIDLink=Gato

Now, whether that missing SS-212 is the symptom, or the original S-34 boat when at Brisbane, or maybe some other reason, I do not know, but keep your original 00000001 folder 'safe', and extract this version and try running with it. I attempted to set your CurrentBase and Flotilla to Saipan. Let us know if it crashes you, or if you then have a home base to go back to.

0000001c.7z

On that Google Drive page, there is a "Download" icon toward the upper-right of the screen. :salute:

Poprav 01-28-25 05:54 AM

Off Darwin, we had a fun party with japs, personally introducing many of them to Davey Jones.:arrgh!: A fitting tribute to the Australian Pearl Harbor on February 19, 1942. (actually after half-a-dozen reloads:D)... Or somewhere at Timor Sea between Babar and Pulau Islands a couple of days before that..:hmmm:can't remember.. whatever.

Anyway will try a new Propbie-patched save (thanks, pal:up:)

Poprav 01-28-25 08:35 AM

Majuro Base Fails
 
Well, Propbie, what to say..

Attempt 1)
Loaded that #fixed# Majuro/Saipan save... Instant Crash To Desktop. Reloaded, same outcome..

Attempt 2)
Preloaded a working save (not the Base Office/ actually did but...CTD). An Ocean Bound one. Twas OK. Returned to Game Menue. Loaded that #fix# again... No "No Mission Too Difficult" screen... But... Finally, we got it! Majuro Atoll and Saipan (as a Home Base)!
https://yadi.sk/d/unUDqzhx1JfdiA

Trying to make it to Saipan...shortly after leaving Majuro...some 150-200 nm away.. jamms...and CTD again.. Repeated with the same result:oops:

Guess that bugged Majuro MUST BE LEFT BEHIND! at least for me .
(assuming I'm running a Midway/ Saipan option now which is OK. No complains. )

But Bad Result is a gaining skill Experience anyway! Thanks, Propbie:yep:

propbeanie 01-28-25 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poprav (Post 2941791)
Well, Propbie, what to say..

Attempt 1)
Loaded that #fixed# Majuro/Saipan save... Instant Crash To Desktop. Reloaded, same outcome..

Attempt 2)
Preloaded a working save (not the Base Office/ actually did but...CTD). An Ocean Bound one. Twas OK. Returned to Game Menue. Loaded that #fix# again... No "No Mission Too Difficult" screen... But... Finally, we got it! Majuro Atoll and Saipan (as a Home Base)!
https://yadi.sk/d/unUDqzhx1JfdiA

Trying to make it to Saipan...shortly after leaving Majuro...some 150-200 nm away.. jamms...and CTD again.. Repeated with the same result:oops:

Guess that bugged Majuro MUST BE LEFT BEHIND! at least for me .
(assuming I'm running a Midway/ Saipan option now which is OK. No complains. )

But Bad Result is a gaining skill Experience anyway! Thanks, Propbie:yep:

OK, so you are going OK then, but from Saipan?? That is the advance base now. ComSubPac wants all the new boats as far forward as is possible... :wink: Do you have transfer options available? (Besides Pearl, since it should always be available.) :salute:

I have been going through all of the other files in your Save folder, and I have noticed other anomalies, such as the Log Book was not up-to-date, and the radio messages were way behind, so I am not certain, especially now, as to what happened, because none of the files "jive" with each other - they are not coordinated in time... This somewhat begs the questions: "How much Time Compression do you use, and how frequently?? Are you saving to a new file each time you save the game, or are you overwriting a previous save?
:salute:

Poprav 01-29-25 01:38 AM

Quote:

OK, so you are going OK then, but from Saipan?? That is the advance base now. ComSubPac wants all the new boats as far forward as is possible... :wink: Do you have transfer options available? (Besides Pearl, since it should always be available.)

I have been going through all of the other files in your Save folder, and I have noticed other anomalies, such as the Log Book was not up-to-date, and the radio messages were way behind, so I am not certain, especially now, as to what happened, because none of the files "jive" with each other - they are not coordinated in time... This somewhat begs the questions: "How much Time Compression do you use, and how frequently?? Are you saving to a new file each time you save the game, or are you overwriting a previous save?
As for the Saipan-elsewhere transfers:
https://disk.yandex.ru/d/wn27V5W-n6Fp4A

LOG BOOK
Permanently erroneous. Tonnage grouped in random and mostly incorrectly attached to a day/time of actual sinking. In my experience of FothRS (SH4) gaming there was no realistic log book in Home Base Office. Except for the one while in patrol on boat.:down:

TIME COMPRESSION

Well, it depends... Sometimes it's x4 (when lifeguarding)... sometimes x1024, even x2048 when amidst nowhere in the ocean desert. Nevertheless consider to decrese it when on approach to busy sea/air navigation areas (friendly/hostile ports and waters). :hmmm:

FILE SAVING

Always delete the old file. Than save a new one (but keeping the previous name...is that a mistake?)
No overwritings.:salute:

Over.:ping:

propbeanie 01-29-25 09:42 AM

Yeah, the Log Book in the office has been a bother since v1.0.xx whatever it was for my original disk. All patrols are off by 1 in the numbering, and sunk ships are somehow dropped, often if they are a "repeat" of an earlier same-named ship. The numbering of the patrols is easier to understand, in that one fellow started counting the computer way with 0, 1, 2, etc., while the next fellow started counting like a human, unsing 1, 2, 3, etc... still not an excuse though for the discrepancy.

It sounds like you use Time Compression the same way as I do.

As for game file saving, it is best to do a completely new Save each time you do it, even if you make 15 saves on any given patrol. After you dock, you can then delete some of those, keeping one or two for the "just-in-case" situation you will invariably hit, such as a base transfer going awry... :roll: - the practice does use up a bit of hard drive space, if that's what you're worried about. However, I would not think that re-using the name of an already deleted save would be a problem, but we have seen quite a bit of "strange" from the game... I usually do something like "P205074303" or similar, with the P being Patrol, 2 is 2nd patrol, 050743 is the date, and 03 is the save number of that patrol. You are allowed like 32 character names, so can be more descriptive than I am there.

Poprav 01-29-25 10:50 AM

LifeGuarding Mission
 
Thanks for such a detailed review, pal. Hope it will come in handy.:yeah:

And back to Lifeguarding.

Sometimes when on a rescue with time compression 32+ it instantly drops down to 8.. Does it happen because of some obstacle (or a man yet not sighted, especially out of flares) in the water..? Or for some other reason? Occasionly have made it to see some guys in distress with no red smoke but very, very rarely.

Recall you taught me it's easier to find a flee on a dog rather than a man in the ocean... But it is a distressful shame for me not to find 2 of 3 downed crews reported .. :oops:
Yeah, I remember ...It's all about realistic marine warfare, but..never like it to loose, letting boys for sharks to feed..:wah:

Poprav 02-05-25 05:46 AM

Deck Gun Toggle Failure
 
Same Old Deck Gun Issue.

Recently upgraded my bow deck gun to double fore'n'aft one.

Issue No.1
Couldn't man my aft DG. :oops:Even the slots for crew to man vanished unlike the Fore DG, which is ok (meaning it's manned all right)..but...

Issue No.2
The Fore Gun is uncontrollable, completely. Unlike the Stern one.
:doh:

save_folderhttps://disk.yandex.ru/d/Dv_HZYGX1nvDeA

Tried to do some fixes. https://disk.yandex.ru/d/fWLQoCLaf410bQ
Did my best in a way of "...Support/How To/NewColetrainsAndOthersDGfix", but manning the Aft DG is the only achievement. Appeared even slots for gunners . Unlike the Gun Name in the crew management screen..:hmmm:

But can't control the bow gun still.. Only the Aft DG.

Any help appreciated.


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