You are living in a fantasy world if you think the hatred has subsided. It's only intensified! Al-Qaeda is still actively seeking your destruction but you're too liberal minded to care. You should be thanking your lucky stars that there are men and women out there watching out for people like you!

Suprising to see so much hatred for freedom of religion. Some people are very narrow minded. You can be a radical from any religion, that shouldn't make its entirity responsible because you need a scapegoat for your criminal acts.

Not including the terrorist apostates, 23 Muslims died in the 911 attacks. (This represents 0.75% of the total number of victims. Muslims, in general, represent 0.6% of the population of the United States so the ratio of Muslims that died in the 911 attacks tracks with their ratio to the population.)

http://crosswordbebop.blogspot.com/2...1-attacks.html

Don't the families and communities of those 23 Islamic VICTIMS deserve a place of worship near the attack site? Of did these Muslim victims only "get what they and all Muslims deserve"?

Muslims did not attack us on 911. Muslim apostate terrorists attacked us. I would be all in favour if someone wanted to prevent a Salafi mosque being built there. But not a ban on any type of Muslim Mosque. :nope:

The comparison is perfect, and both ideologies both represent extreme representations of totalitariansim, and both ideologies are responsible for a horryfying ammount of racism, genocide, supremacism, killing, suffering and barbarism - all based on their inner teachings.

Don't worry Skybird! You're EXACTLY spot on with your comparison! :up:

Zachstar, is just mad that you've shown him up the way you've pointed out the double-standards that he seems so eager to defend! Makes me wonder why this guy even lives in the US? :hmmm: He seems so opposed to anything American and consistently plays the "race card" game for some reason. Could he be a sleeper cell agent for Al-Qaeda or is he just one of these terrorist sympathizers that wants self-destruction to ensue? :hmmm:

are you now declaring the upside the downside and the left the right? What "terrorist apostates"?

So what? Because non-Nazi Germans got killed in WWII - that made Nazism a more harmless ideology?

They deserve to be given a chance to learn about the true inhumane nature of that ideology they maybestill believe in and that is directly responsible for their family members gotten murdered in the name of the Quran. Bin Laden always has referred to the corruption of the true Muslim faith as laid out in the Quran and to the cporruoption of the rich arabic governments as well. and he is right in nthat claim, the Quran justifies lethal force against corrupted Muslims indeed, since they smudge the pirity of the faith. To give people of muslim cultural origin a chance to critically learn about what they take for granted, you must confront them with those critical questions that their culture since 1400 years has made a form of art to evade. This is the chance you want to deny to Muslims in the West when you think you do them a favour by fulfilling all their claims based on those 1400 years, so that they have no need at all to question thermslves and the ideologic basis of the culture they come from. - Ironcially it is some of the most prominent Muslim apostates and islam critics saying so. But what does that mean, when you know Islam so much better than they do although they had lived in it, studied it, even have acadmeic careers dealing with it. you want to believe in a rosy world where conflict is not known, and that vision you call peace and harmony and islam dances hand in hand with you and everything is hei-ti-tei.

Wrong, it were muslim terroists, and Islam had all to do with their attack. It borders pure malicious cynism to label the strike a deed not of Islam. It was the Islam described and defined in the Quran.

You seriously suffer from a variation of Stockholm syndrome.

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Islam is neither peaceful, nor humane or humanistic. It does not know our concepts of equality, liberty, cultural coexistence, secularism, freedom, peace, tolerance - all these ters it understands and defines in a totally different way linking it to totalitarian concepts as to be seen in uniform societies like fascism. That Muslim terrorists also target and kill Muslims, means not much.

The strike on the WTC, btw, was meant to hit America and white Americans, America's culture, a symbol of it's leading economic role in the world. Collateral damages - in the Quran are considered acceptable (like suiicde attacks as well, btw), if the attack serves the purpose and interest of islam and it's spreading, and bringing death and destruction to it's opponents.

Yopu guys have not learned much neither from the Third Reich, nor from the literature our academic tradition has assembled over islam since over 250 years. You really started to remind me of the left opposition, the peace movement in Germany, and the RAF in Germany, all of which were massively infiltrated, controlled and directed by the great opponent of the West: the KGB of the USSR, and the Eastgerman secret service.

And what a great time and heydays they had! "Useful idiots" as well.

This is a silly discussion. As far as I'm concerned, anyone can build anything they want on or near ground zero because this is a country where we believe that all men are created equal and entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It's understandable that there is still resentment towards the Muslim community from 9/11, but if we allow our sentiemtns to cloud our judgement and, more importantly, empower the state to discriminate amongst religions, we will find that the same state we give that power to will be used against us in the future.

I feel like freaking Yoda, being a guy with large ears who always tells people not to take the quick and easy path, but there is wisdom in that message. You cannot simultaneously have a free state and a controlling state. If you create a legal precedent for enforced discrimination (or elimination of enforced discrimination, as the case may be) it will come back and bite you in the ass, I promise you. One might as well build the gallows with which to hang oneself.

What strikes me as being extremely odd is that there are so many W.A.S.P.s who are of a the opinion that we should somehow create a means to preserve the status quo of W.A.S.P. America. Really, guys? Are you so blind to the past and present? Have you forgotten how we used to do that to other people? Do you really think that in the political system we have that we're ever going to "win" against the Muslims or the Latinos or whoever happens to be on your s***-list at the moment? Would you be willing to live under a system that could keep them out? Would you willingly give anyone that kind of control? Methinks you've been fooled by people with a different agenda.

If we really cherish our nation and our values, we should be confident enough to let them stand on their own merit. We have nothing to fear, aside from a politcal machine that has regard not for merit or equality of opportunity, but that promotes intolerance or equality of outcome.

Two blocks is too close..

I'm sorry this is a thinly vieled slap to the face of the families that suffered losses on that fatefull day.

It is not just a happenstance.

Terrorists that are apostates.

Was that really that difficult for you to understand?

Considering that you think most things about Islam are bad, I imagine it would be.

Even if the other wants to destroy yourself, wants his freedoms - different from yours - at your freedom's cost?

When you say yes, I call you a suicidal madman.

You have a very pleasant message here but there's plenty of other places to put up Mosques... So why there if it's not an attempt to add insult to injury? Surely you can understand the logic of this considering 9-11 just happened less than a decade ago! I don't think people have a problem with Mosques being erected in the US but rather WHERE they are erected.

The racism crowd will cling to their belief that it's racism against Muslims to not erect a Mosque at ground zero, but I am not fully convinced that a lot of these people aren't Al-Qaeda, or Al-Qaeda sympathizers, wearing sheep skins and trying to make this into a civil rights case to push their evil agenda even more onto the good people of this nation!

Maybe apostates from islam nevertheless can become terrorists over other motives then. But on 9/11, no Islamic appostates were involved, only islamic terrorists. Terrorism is a legitmiate tool in islam, described and referred to in several verses of the Quran. No muslim is automatically an apostate just because he is a terrorist.

Is that really so difficult for YOU to understand? Of course you know it. You just delivered a rethoric trick of which you thought that would serve your purpose to gloss over the true nature of islam (on the grounds of Quran and Sharia, that is the only basis Islam can be defined upon).

Terrorism is not a legit tool in any religion. Though any radical from any religion can make a case for it based on thier twisted beliefs. All religions by thier very nature impose themselves over any other religion. Terrorist's are nothing but criminal scum that need to be dealt with accordingly. Are you implying that the only terrorists are Muslims and that we should kill all Muslims in order to prevent terrorism in the future?

Compare the number of non-Muslim terrorists to Muslim ones! What's the ratio? Like 1 for every 1000 of them? Come on, use some brains and open your eyes! It's heavily advocated in their religion compared to non-Muslim religions.

Where did you get those numbers? I'd like to see your sources for that study, as it sounds beyond ridiculous to me. This is just one of many examples but, the next time a right to life Christian kills a doctor and fire bombs an abortion clinic, we should start cracking down on those pesky Christians as well.

Well it's your town Moeceefus you and your fellow New Yorkers ought to have the most say in what is "too close" or not. You might be despicable Yankees fans but I have full confidence that you'll ultimately make the right decision in this matter.

Again, the solution is not to have special rules for ANY religion. No tax breaks, not special zoning, nothing. I'm not for an exclusionary zone, but I also don't think that they should be able to prevent, say, a strip club from being in the next storefront (nor should a church be able to exclude any business with special zoning).

My point in the last post, however, is that disliking Islam—or even people who believe that nonsense—is not "racist."

Racism requires an indelible trait, religion is software, not hardware.

Yeah, that's really hard to nail down. I'm confident that in the last few decades the overwhelming majority of deaths to terrorism have been at the hands of Muslims, though.

An easier number is polling of attitudes towards terrorists, or how states (and states function at the consent of the governed) treat terrorists. Poll after poll shows at the very best substantial minority support for terror in the Islamic world (pushing majority). If you assume that "no opinion" means what it must in fact mean—"I agree with it, but refuse to say so"—then it's a majority. Then states that like terrorists do things like name public schools for some guy who murdered school kids (the PA does this all the time). When an attack happens, the muslim oprganizations get on TV and instead of apologizing for their co-religionists, and saying they are wrong, tell us not to judge them.

When some christian nut kills a doc (the total deaths and injuries to all these whackos in the US is only ~17 as I recall), what happens? The churches all condemn the attack (except maybe that WBC nut and his 50 inbred members), and the state catches, then even executes the scumbag.

A world of difference.

Have already reported this. So I will say the answer to your insane question is no. But do tell me do you believe all liberals (I am not even liberal I am progressive) are terrorists as well? Are you joining Bill Orielly in saying the ACLU is a terrorist organization?

So someone points out that you are likely no officer and you call them a terrorist sympathizer. You sir are nuts in my opinion and no chance you are an officer.

Do you even remember what you were banned for last time? Enjoy the keelhauling ban.

Indeed sir. I agree.