Stop making excuses right wingers. I assure you the Obama crowds are not just there for the free food. You do realize Bush is the most hated president in modern history, if not the most hated president period. The country and the whole world are foaming at the mouth to put the right out of office.

John McLame is the only one dumb enough to stand in front of the crowd as the democrats storm the whitehouse next month.

And how would you go about assuring us of that hypothesis?:hmm:

To be sure, no matter who gets in, we are screwed and the next president is just as screwed cleaning up this mess. Agreed, Bush is not the life of the party. Neither is Pelosi and Barney Frank. Personally, who would want the job anyway? We watched the democrates storm Congress for the past two years. Not much of a winning record going on there either. Everyone on the mall in Washington are to blame for our current ills. If you a pinning it all on Bush, your mistaken at who is to blame. It is not who but what group we as citizens elected to go have fun in Washington. If you think the Democrates will pass a magic wand over this in 28 days and all will be corrected, you are smoking some serious weed. We are looking at years to get this corrected if it is correctable at all. If you think Obama is the win all correct all, you are sorely mistaken. It will be a Joe Biden White House anyway. Obama is wet behind the ears. Come on Flamingboat, what real substance for leading this country has any of the candidate exhibited? Just more speeches from the pulpit for Obama and more mind changing from McCain.

Depends on what they are serving up. :D

Well it doesn't matter who gets elected. You're foolin' yourself if you think either one is going to have a sweeping change in DC. Both of them are not interested in upsetting what got the there; the status quo.

The last decent man in the White House was Woodrow Wilson. At least he had the courage to admit he ruined the nation by signing the Federal Reserve Act into law.

After that, it's been a snowball to "h-e double hockey sticks".

All that's going to happen either way, is our nation that was founded on the principles of personal liberty and property, is going to get nudged even closer to a socialist state.

Most of what I've heard Obama serving up is BS, IMHO:rotfl:But he serves it well.:up:

Yes, BS on a silver plater:rotfl: BTW, DT, I do not accept your opinions as humble. I accept them as intelligently thought out! So, henceforth, I will only accept IMO from you. :up:

ephew
 

Finally someone who speaks the right thing.. :up:

USA is on the downslide and those american elections are a cover up. A stirring.. But, can anyone say for what? Why is there a global crisis almost every month? Is capitalism finished? What's the price of the oil? Who will rule second powerful country in the world? First? Last? Moon? I ate chicken, do I have flu? If we allow gay marriages, will a giant heaven h-bomb destroy us all? Brittain is freezing? Giant comet will hit us?
Or..
Corporations making easy life for their "exceptional few" on histeria.. Very nice..

About the intelligence of us voters. "What's hess gonna do for you" voting is a voting motto all around the world.. And from seeing youtube movies about "americans on the street/France is actually New Zealand" they cannot be smarter than the rest or different. Hence, God is not american.

But, there is something else that can't be ignored.. How will USA get out of Iraq without being defeated? Who is better for it, Obama or John?
:rotfl:
And ofcourse.. How the hell can you in your country watch a man talking how taxes should be handled, how to help poor americans etc. and then he goes on and on speaking of spending another 600 billion on a useless war? :rotfl:

And if it isn't important who gets elected, why are you voting? :88)

Much better than the Dick Cheney whitehouse we have now, so much better. Change from McCain? He is the republican. How stupid would Al Gore have looked if he ran around after 8 years of Clinton and said "we need change". His party is the incumbent. If Bush did his job, which he didn't, McCain would not be trying in vain to rebrand the defunct republican party.

I wanted Ron Paul for president. I was trying to deal with McCain. Then he picks Palin. No way man, I'm not losing sleep everytime McCain gets out of breath with the fear of president palin.

Just imagine president Palin "Oh My God GUYS! Look, I'm on TV! Heeeey, HI MOM!, look I'm on TV"

Yeah, Palin sunk his ship.

I do not think Palin sunk his ship. If anything, she brings more experience then Obama concerning working a budget. At any rate, we are on the path of Socialism and through the roof taxation under Obama. Lest one forget, the first 6 years under Bush the economy was good. We then have a majority of Democrates in the Capitol for the past two years and everything goes in the crapper. Americans have the shortest memory span in the world. Everyone wants to go to war after 9/11 and now that it is costing billions....Bush sucks. Get real and stand up to our failures and misjudgments. No one on Capitol Hill will...ask Barney Frank. And another thing, everyone has McCain in the grave already. Good Lord, my dad is 74 and the last thing on my mind is if he can make it another day. Me at 43 can die of a heart attack this afternoon. Worrying about McCains health is a cop out. Hell, Obama could take a bullet at any moment and I sure do not want Joe Biden running the place. Flamming...come to grips man, they all suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL OF THEM on the mall in Washington. Obama is not going to do one ioda of crap. McCain is not going to one ioda of crap. However, I would much prefer to look at Palin over the next four years and enjoy the Tina Fey spoofs for the next 4 years. As longs we are getting raped by the thugs on Capitol Hill, we should have a laugh or two.

Look through the smoke and mirrors Flamingboat....Washington screwed the tax payers....we had no say at all. Not even a common courtesy of a reach around as we took it in the shorts. And you think Obama is going to swish his magic wand? McCain has no magic wand. We are toast bro and our votes are meaningless. This was demonstrated when a $700 billion dollar legislations was signed. We are nothing but ATM machines for the government who like to go to bed with big business. Our votes count for nothing...ask Hillary.

Until human beings relearn morality, the dollar will always rule.

There is no answer to such a rambling "question".

Who said God is American and why in the world would you base an opinion of a group of people on youtube videos?:hmm:

The answer to that question is so obvious, you should have answered it yourself. Setting a timetable for withdrawal, no matter what the situation is, is a recipe for disaser (anyone remember VietNam?). No brain required to answer that question.

The same way our country can watch a candidate talk of lowering taxes while espousing a proposal (and actually sponsoring a bill in Congress) to increase foreign aid by hundreds of billions of dollars.

Because it's our duty, IMO (;) AVG). When we say that nothing will change, it isn't necessarily true. Each candidate has beliefs that we either share or don't share. Each candidate says where they would like to see the country go and we either agree or don't agree. No matter who gets elected, the President can't change everything by himself. Congress and the Senate are where everything happens (other than starting the odd war here or there). Until ALL of our elected officials make doing the right thing for the country (as opposed to themselves) their priority then nothing will change. The only real power the President has is to veto bills that Congress and the Senate have passed besides that whole Supreme Court Justice appointing thing, but then Congress has it's hand in that, too).

DT:
Exactly. ALL of the elected officals have their hands in it but none will raise that hand and say they screwed up. Come on folks, relections are around the corner. Political suicide! WE NEED TERM LIMITS!!!

:up: I agree, but duty.. ?
AVG told the only truth, when 9/11 happened americans were all for war, now that is going bad, americans curse bush.. When USA atacked Iraq, whole world hated USA. I saw occasions here where americans here were offended and laughed up..
Presidential elections will change nothing..

Americans have to change their field of view.. They cannot say "Bush is wrong because he lead us into a lost war" after they were for war. What will happen when the Russians do that? Or chinese? Heck, USA is not the most powerful anymore..
And so..
Obama could be a way for that to be..


But it seems to me we are all screwed no matter what.. Everywhere is the same..
I am thirsty..

cheers

On that, I can certainly agree (even the thirsty part:rotfl:)

Maybe they just needed a good nap, brushing up on old cliches, miss their grandparents, need a lesson on who voted for what 25 years ago, or want to catch a glimpse of the Vice-Milf.

Agreed, especially since the same thing happened fourteen years ago. Tired of having Democrats run both the White House and the Congress, they 'threw the bums out' and installed Gingrich & Company. The result was a huge advancement to more of the same. It happened again with Bush as president, and now we have a Democrat congress giving us a huge change to more of the same. And blaming the other guys.

I'm not much of a Bush fan either, but it's my observation that he has this in common with Obama: the people who hate them do so for personal reasons, and would hate them no matter what they say or do. If Bush had not gone into Iraq you can bet that there would be thousands on the left lambasting him for missing the obvious and not taking out Saddam when he had the chance.

Some people will despise the guy on the other side just because he's the guy on the other side, and don't need - or want - any other reason. But they'll sure come up with a bunch of them, just to make themselves look credible.

In short Steve, everyone wants their cake and eat it to.

I think that's a part of it. Back during WW2 one of Agatha Christie's mysteries involved a discussion about how evil the Germans were...or weren't. Christie had one of her characters say that of course we considered them evil, we had to, or we wouldn't want to fight them.

Some people don't want to resolve the issues, or even really discuss them - some people just want to be right. And to feel superior.

Sure, there is superiority complexs going on. I think Pelosi and Barney Frank just have complexes. :p