After quick test, it's only with the cylindrical NB now ....
that's a very bad news ... :nope:
I though this was an old problem ...

Found him on cylindrical array via NB FRAZ right away. No tonals. :yep:

Nope it moved when the cheat was 1st discovered I checked it if was in the NB system too, it wasn't. ;)

OMG :damn: :o
So ... this looks like a shifted problem and not a solved problem ...
you ruined my day
bad for a birthday ! :88)
:cry:

Martin Broduer had a bad bday yesterday too!

Oh, well, Happy B-day!

This definately hits the nail on the head!!

After asking him what he was using, he said the cylindrical array!
He added: I also have my own tricks and strategies, but of course I wont talk about that.
Kay, now I got it.... Very dissapointing and it ruins the fun for me..


*sigh* Just started to like the game again... but I have yet to wait for a version that is not exploitable and actually being played as intended.

You think SCS can do a fix for that? A general fix that makes it so, that you are only able to mark something _clearly_ visible?

Well at this point I would say just play Kilo ASW games with players you trust.

I just hope SCS knows about this bug. I mentioned this a while ago and no one seemed to take notice.

So he basicly admitted to cheating...

This is getting out of control.

Who is the person you were playing with? We need to expose people like this so they can never play multiplayer again with the rest of us.

Perhaps, it was you? :hmm:
And now, we are beginning witch hunting. :down:
And first of all, he did not cheat; he used one weakness of the game.

It's not a weakness, it's a bug, and it was used deliberately to allow him to do something that could not otherwise be done. It most certainly is cheating. If he were part of a virtual fleet, he'd be standing tall before the Man right now.

Virtual fleet, I wonder. :hmm:
I think I know you Molon. :D Is that your wish to make me stand tall before the Man of GNSF? :D No, I know that you joke.

Why? Isn't using the particular rules of the game (the realistic and the unrealistic) ls just part of good strategy. It isn't like this option isn't available to him.

Should we be forced to (for one) ping when we use periscopes close to an enemy because in real life we couldn't have done so without counterdetection?

Besides, if I'm desperate to get a detect, I'd be clicking all over my FRAZ, hoping to catch that nearly invisible signal. If I get lucky, what should I do, dump the contact? Even if I do that, for a second I'd have seen the contact and it'd influence all my actions. I also have to worry about giving up the contact because the other guy might be doing the same thing - not intending so much to cheat or even take advantage of a known flaw, but to get first detects.

I can't believe you're defending this person.

Back when DW first came out and the Kilo BB cheat was discovered, there was no debate at all about it. The NB cheat is twice as bad as the BB cheat was, because unlike the BB cheat, there is ZERO chance of the NB cheat being used accidentally. But yet, here we stand, where cheating seems to be getting out of control on Gamespy, and now people here on Subsim are defending it. How the hell did this community reach this point after one short year? It's absolutely sickening.

"Nearly invisible" on the FRAZ? What are you talking about? There is either a red mark on the black display or there isn't. This is a bug in the game. It is not a "rule." Using it to gain an advantage over a player who either doesn't know or wouldn't exploit such a bug is not a "strategy."

The Gamespy experience is tarnished irretrievably for me. But what can we expect with an influx of
new players untutored in the basic mores of disciplined internet simulation play and a cynical bunch
prepared to exploit there greenness.

The scene has to be compared to Alaskan mining towns in the goldrush days ! (No I wasnt there :huh: :stare: )
Plenty of innocents at large and plenty of hooks ready to cheat them. No sherrif, no judge, no jailhouse and no rope !

If disillusionment isnt to grow then like AA the scene must be policed and sanctions against bad behaviour enforced.
Even a simple voting scheme can boot off (out) offenders.

Nows the point where i say

I TOLD YOU SO

I tried to tell you there was cheaters out there but you not listen and as always you all know best, now get on with it you made your own beds go lie in them.

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