A new issue? Oh man just kill F-35 program!

Mordenize and reproduce A-10, F-15, F-16, F-18, and few more.

Not just you, I'm the same, I like the mirror on the Spitfires and Hurris (pretty sure the 109s got a mirror too but it's rarely modelled in sims)...but, as one guy once said, "If you can see the 109 in your mirror, it's already too late!" Weave, Weave, Weave, never stay straight and level in a combat situation for longer than a few seconds. I think that's just as true today as it was in 1940. :yep:

wrong answer. it's not possible on any of them.

Now if you are suggesting that a pilot maintain straight and level 1g flight, unstrap himself from his seat, physically move his upper body out of his seat, twist his head right or left at a 90 degree angle and depending of what type helmet he is wearing he can spot a bandit 5 miles behind him with his peripheral vision......no, still not possible, especially since most modern air operations take place at NIGHT. :ping:

That article is just another hatchet piece, the F35 critics are realy getting desparate.

exactly. standard modern air to air tactics is to fly in pairs, one plane conventrates on the target while the other covers his six.

That's why fighter aircraft are often equipped with rear view mirrors.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.50605....1&H=120&W=160

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.47361....1&H=120&W=160

Who covers the wingman's six?

The only thing being or getting "desperate", is the US financial situation.

It is to be questioned whether the excessive spendings on the F35 justfy what is being gained in return for that spending frenzy. Like was already the case with the F22.

When considering both American and German comments, both planes are a lethal combionation, with the raptor having the edge at long range engagements and remaing hidden from radar for longer time, while th Typhoons having the upper hand at closer ranges: it has better climb rate, better acceleration, is more agile, and shows superior manouverability in dogfighting - outmanouvering the thrust-vectoring of the F22.

Is the higher price of the F22 worth the advantage at longer range? Missile technology and radar technology are rapidly improving, and the Us never tested its arsenal against top notch Russian equipment that is maintained and run by Russians, under Russian control and Russian dioctrine. There missiles are very impressive.

It will take not m uch time before the F22 stelath advanatge will be reduced to unimpressive levels, I'm sure. What remaisn then is the hefty pricetag.

The company that built the A-10 doesn't exist anymore. It's factory is now a strip mall.

lets look at a simple example:

1. both planes are heading north and spot a target to the north. One plane, usually the one in the best position, keeps moving north to engage;

2. the wingman will point his plane towards the east and the west so he can spot threats to the east-west-south. The shooter is covering the north.

Have you thought something outside of the box? There are many companies that would want to start business making A-10s for Gov't. They might have to work with the loyalty issue but they are far much cheaper than F-35 program.

Most of them in Beijing... :O:

LOL :)

No I am correct I worked every single day with USAF pilots they can check their 6 o'clock and they do it often.Now if you mean look back 180 degrees like an owl then yes that is not possible but enough of an angle to see what is going on in the rear sector yes they can.
Yes I know that they have the mirrors but in the aircraft I listed it is possible for them to look over the shoulder to the rear with their own eyes.


Hey look an F-16 pilot in a simulated dogfight with an F-15 checking his six o'clock but that is not possible!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...-421E-mo#t=13s
common sense look at the head position now consider the peripheral vision of the human body. I can find some actual in cockpit footage during a high G dogfight not filmed for an IMAX movie if you give me a an hour if you want to see more.

F/A-18 helmet mounted cam(the object visible in the supposedly impossible checking of six moments is the head rest of the ejection seat.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyXjo9T1TF8

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...psa198f9bf.jpg


How things are seen in the real world and how they appear in a flight sim are not the same.

It seems to me that you are coming up with excuses to downplay what the article says. A pilot can see another aircraft from 5 miles away and in close dog fighting the subject is within hundreds of meters or less well within visual range.Air combat is flown at all times not just at night.

Wait for it http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...qQymah8#t=264s

This joint strike fighter program is such a huge money gimme for so many people....

In the end we will still be using our Hornets on a large scale, as this program racks up billions in dollars of overages, and still doesn't work.

Maybe we can kill off SS to fund it.

Does this really matter because I doubt there are many out there who can afford to make the purchase? :hmmm:

Not really.