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CaptainD 04-11-12 10:33 PM

HI!
During first world war, german subs used to attack british fishing ships in the north sea
They surfaced nea the flottillas and gunned the ships, kiling so the crews.
So the RN decided to build a trap with a british sub towed by a trawler.
The british sub was towed under sea during daylight and surfaced at night to reloads the batterys.
There was a telephone line with the toweing line.
I know that the trap functionned two times.
Each one, the U-Boote surfaces to gun the fishermen and was torpedoed by the RN sub and the germans stopped attacking the fishing flottilas till they understood what had happend.
I will search to some details about theses actions.

Edit: These comme from the book "By Guess and by God" by Lieutnant W. G. Carr in a french translation from 1931 which tell about the operation of british submarines during WWI.

The first fight came on June 23th 1915 by C24,Lieutnant Taylor, towed by trawler Taranaki and her target was U40.
The second one came on July 20th 1915 by C27, Lieutnant Commande Dobson, towed by Princess Louise, target U23.
The two targets were destroyed.

torpedobait 04-13-12 03:58 PM

If you are really curious and want to go see one of the TMO 2.5 Q ships (Taihosan Maru-type) try sinking a ship or two in or near the mouth of the Bungo Strait. It won't take long for you hear an approaching destroyer followed by the maru. I assumed it was a small convoy and easily took out the "escort", thinking I would surface and gun down the maru. No chance. Before I could manouver to a better position, the maru was making a DC run on me! Three passes and I went down with my crew. A very humbling experiece. Have not encountered that combination anywhere else, but I'd be careful taking them on if I were you. That maru is skippered by an expert sub-killer, perhaps modeled after "Bungo Pete", but without the accompanying submare (I think).

Good hunting!

CaptainD 04-14-12 04:38 AM

I have read that Bungo Pete has been implemented in TMO but I don't know how it had been done.
I have also read that Bungo Strait is the only place where you can find an Akikaze type destroyer and maybe, if the ships come as you say, the only method to kill them is the same as in the movie.
Is the DD with the maru an Akikaze?

Edit: The trawlers, I tell about in my previous post had military crews and were under command of RN officers.
In the second case, just before the C27 second torpedo killed the U-Boote, the Princess Louise showed the White Ensign... and her Guns.

torpedobait 04-15-12 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainD (Post 1869783)
I have read that Bungo Pete has been implemented in TMO but I don't know how it had been done.
I have also read that Bungo Strait is the only place where you can find an Akikaze type destroyer and maybe, if the ships come as you say, the only method to kill them is the same as in the movie.
Is the DD with the maru an Akikaze?

Edit: The trawlers, I tell about in my previous post had military crews and were under command of RN officers.
In the second case, just before the C27 second torpedo killed the U-Boote, the Princess Louise showed the White Ensign... and her Guns.

Don't remember what the DD was - will repost when I get a chance to find it again on aother patrol.

Daniel Prates 04-15-12 08:03 PM

:yeah:

Damn! I stay away for less then 6 months and two lady-captains appeared on this forum? That's an improvement!

Torplexed 04-15-12 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates (Post 1870688)
:yeah:

Damn! I stay away for less then 6 months and two lady-captains appeared on this forum? That's an improvement!

We had a nun here for a while, but I haven't seen her lately. :D

Sailor Steve 04-15-12 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates (Post 1870688)
:yeah:

Damn! I stay away for less then 6 months and two lady-captains appeared on this forum? That's an improvement!

Which two? Donna's new, but ?

Unless, as Torplexed said, you meant Sister Julie?

Armistead 04-15-12 11:22 PM

Donna is really Ted Nugent.......I know that for a fact......:yeah:

Sailor Steve 04-16-12 08:09 AM

:o

Who knew?

I wonder if Donna even knows who Ted Nugent is. She's five years younger than my youngest kid.

Unless of course she really is Ted Nugent.
:rotfl2:

Daniel Prates 04-16-12 12:28 PM

There was also a 'she-wolf' posting just there, so that accounts for the second one. Of course that could also be an alias for some other weirdo guitarrist... :hmmm:

DrBeast 04-16-12 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Prates (Post 1871050)
There was also a 'she-wolf' posting just there, so that accounts for the second one. Of course that could also be an alias for some other weirdo guitarrist... :hmmm:

Dave Mustaine...? Weirdo enough, and he's written a song called She Wolf! :haha:

Sailor Steve 04-16-12 01:08 PM

She-Wolf has also been a registered member here since 2007.

Able Brown 04-19-12 04:45 AM

I developed a habbit of finishing off damaged merchants with the deck gun back in my "Aces of The Deep" days: That has turned out to be a really bad idea in the pacific, as just about any Japanese ship can match or beat my deck gun's firepower. In a sense they're all Q-boats!

There was a thread here that linked to 1944 Navy doctorine on submarine warfare. The doctorine made it clear that the torpedo was the primary weapon and discouraged the use of deck guns and AA except as a last resort.
Quote:

Section 6
Defense Against Small Surface Craft

  1. The offensive weapons of a submarine are torpedoes, mines, and guns. Submergence in time to avoid detection or attack, or both, is the best and therefore the primary means of defense. Evasion by use of high speed on the surface at night or in low visibility is preferable. Submarines will avoid engagement with aircraft when possible to do so.
  2. Unless the submarine is unable to dive, combatant ships should not be engaged by gunfire, except they be of the small patrol type (more dangerous because of their depth charges than because of their guns), definitely preventing the accomplishment of a vital mission. In the latter case, the probable chance and relative advantage of possible destruction of the patrol vessel must be weighed against the disclosure of the submarine's presence or position, and the probable damage that may be received. Gun attacks on important merchant vessels will normally not be made, as the submarine will usually find itself out-gunned and at a disadvantage. When engaging surface targets, endeavor to do so as a surprise and from a position that will be poorly protected by lookouts and where the minimum number of enemy guns can bear. Engage on bearings that will permit the best service to own guns.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/SS-Doct/index.html

Quote:

Donna is really Ted Nugent.......I know that for a fact......
Now that you mention it, I've never seen them photographed together. Donna has described herself as an "aggressive hunter" on more than one occasion. The same is true with Ted.

Donna has been silent lately, and then there's this:

"Secret Service Looking into Ted Nugent's Anti-Obama Rant"

http://news.yahoo.com/secret-looking...215204802.html

torpedobait 04-20-12 04:21 PM

Bungo Pete in TMO
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedobait (Post 1870550)
Don't remember what the DD was - will repost when I get a chance to find it again on aother patrol.

Went back to the straits - What a surprise when the Maru came searching for me with active sonar! And, although they weren't apparent from an external view, she fires Y guns in addition to the stern-rolled DCs. She missed me (barely) on her first pass, inflicting moderate damage. As she went by I went to ahead-flank, turned away from her stern and kept turning to port, seeing that that was what she did too. As she came around to about 210 degrees relative and the range hit 505 yards, I let her have 3 MK14 on shallowest depth setting, high-speed, and magnetic detonators. One passed underneath her, one was a dud, but the 3rd blew her bottom out and she quickly sank. I thought I was home free until the companion, that turned out to be Patrol Boat (!) rolled right over me and destroyed USS Balao in one pass. Beware the Bungo Strait, Captains! Thar be more than whales there!

Daniel Prates 04-23-12 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Able Brown (Post 1872336)
I developed a habbit of finishing off damaged merchants with the deck gun back in my "Aces of The Deep" days: That has turned out to be a really bad idea in the pacific, as just about any Japanese ship can match or beat my deck gun's firepower. In a sense they're all Q-boats!

Good point. Almost every single japanese merchant has some teeth to show...


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