Ah but see that's the brilliance of this whole thing - no matter what happens, the insurance companies win. They wrote the bill. If it stays, they have millions of new customers mandated to them by the government. If for some reason it goes away, they get to go back to putting the screws back to their paying customers the way they were before.

That's why this whole thing is a joke.

My Intentionally vague reference about congressional control during this last decade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ja...onstration.ogg


Good point.

If the GOP offers up a better plan, then I think this is a good thing. If all they are doing is "anti-Obama" then it is just a political game.

I won't tell you what the smart money is betting on... I think you can guess.

It's pretty obvious that such a game would have enormous negative political consequences for them in 2012.

If you consider that the repeal bill passed with a greater majority than the original obama care, including more party crossovers, it is only the first shot in the long game which will force Obama to defend his signature initiative in 2012. Given his past history on explaining/defending the law, it could very well be his achilles heal.

SCOTUS will most likely rule the law unconstitutional, the individual mandate is blatantly unconstitutional.Only way they would not is if obama gets to replace a conservative vote on the court with another Sotomayor or Kagan by the time it gets to the high court, hopefully he will not or it will fail thus why those opposed to obamacare in congress should launch their assault on the health control law.

Exactly :up:

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance - In 1798

Looks like this sort of thing is more constitutional than some people think.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/20...rance-in-1798/

1.25 pages vs. 2000 pages. Just something to think about. For everyone.

I know. Isn't that funny? Even the 1947 Packers contract in the NFL thread that August posted was only 1 page. I imagine a modern NFL contract is probably like a book.

more programs, and undoubtedly much of it filled with pet bills for big business.

A response......

and whos idea was it to make people buy insurance and give tax credits in the first place? :hmmm: I think somebody is trying to pass the buck. Because I remember a certain party who for eight years said "tax credits this" and "tax credits that".

- Federal District Court Judge Henry Hudson

Actually Mookie - you should read the item in question.

"That from and after the first day of September next, the master or owner of every ship or vessel of the United States, arriving from a foreign port into any port of theUnited States, shall, before such ship or vessel shall be admitted to an entry, render to the collector a true account of the number of seamen that shall have been employed on board such vessel since she was last entered at any port in the United States, and shall pay, to the said collector, at the rate of twenty cents per month for every seaman so employed ; which sum he is hereby authorized to retain out of the wages of such seamen."

Emphasis added. Not ALL seamen were "taxed" - only those coming in from FOREIGN ports. If you worked on a boat that plied the coasts North and South while staying within US jurisdiction - you didn't get taxed. Thus - you have CHOICE - you can get taxed and work on a boat that goes to foreign ports - or you can work a "domestic only" boat - or you can find another line of work entirely and not worry about it.

The current "health care law" removes all choice when it comes to this - everyone is hit with the mandate - no matter what. Thus - you and the "blogger" are both trying to compare apples to oranges. Nice try - but its a different thing entirely.