Repeal of Obamacare

Armistead · 01-19-11, 12:11 PM

It's known to everyone that obamacare will not be repealed, even if the house passes it, the senate won't and not near enough votes to stop a Pres Veto. Obvious it's a GOP political ploy, but everyone knows this debate won't do anything. Do you see it as a waste of time and money, since they could be debating other issues? This debate alone cost several million when each side pays to have their own numbers worked up, case studies, ect..

Really, it's just campaigning for the next election. I also read Obama will be the first to raise a billion for his next campaign.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-19-11, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

It's known to everyone that obamacare will not be repealed, even if the house passes it, the senate won't and not near enough votes to stop a Pres Veto. Obvious it's a GOP political ploy, but everyone knows this debate won't do anything. Do you see it as a waste of time and money, since they could be debating other issues? This debate alone cost several million when each side pays to have their own numbers worked up, case studies, ect..

Really, it's just campaigning for the next election. I also read Obama will be the first to raise a billion for his next campaign.

Not a waste of time, they campaigned on repeal and were elected, they are doing just that which I know is hard for many to swallow, politicians actually keeping their word once elected? shocking I know.Maddog pointed out we will also learn more of whats in this crappy, unconstitutional law that the last congress did not bother to read before passing.

The few good things will find their way into replacement health care law eventually.Repeal and Repass was what they ran on, we are seeing it in action.

AVGWarhawk · 01-19-11, 02:01 PM

Repeal may not work but starving the 'plan' of money works.

As stated above, they campaigned repeal. They are attempting to do so. Therefore, down the road, at least they can say they attempted it. However, short sighted America will forget.

Armistead · 01-19-11, 02:02 PM

Missing the point, they have no chance..0% to repeal it, may pass in the house, but won't in the senate and Obama would veto it anyway, so it's political grandstanding. So why waste the time and money until you could actually do something....

I agree it has good and bad points, but that's not what's going on here, it's a wholesale repeal. If the GOP wanted to take the time to work on it, be a different subject.

GoldenRivet · 01-19-11, 02:09 PM

the only chance of getting rid of Obama Care (which i think only parts of it should be scrapped) is if the United States Supreme Court rules it to be unconstitutional.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-19-11, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

the only chance of getting rid of Obama Care (which i think only parts of it should be scrapped) is if the United States Supreme Court rules it to be unconstitutional.

SCOTUS will most likely rule the law unconstitutional, the individual mandate is blatantly unconstitutional.Only way they would not is if obama gets to replace a conservative vote on the court with another Sotomayor or Kagan by the time it gets to the high court, hopefully he will not or it will fail thus why those opposed to obamacare in congress should launch their assault on the health control law.

AVGWarhawk · 01-19-11, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Missing the point, they have no chance..0% to repeal it, may pass in the house, but won't in the senate and Obama would veto it anyway, so it's political grandstanding. So why waste the time and money until you could actually do something....

I agree it has good and bad points, but that's not what's going on here, it's a wholesale repeal. If the GOP wanted to take the time to work on it, be a different subject.

So you are suggesting that the bill should not really be looked at this go around? Just let it go and hope for the best? Perhaps if the bill was really read this time those that would oppose the repeal might see this bill in a different light. Perhaps seeing all those that were sent packing after the elections might wise up and think about voting in a repeal or suffer the same at the next election. It is not a waste of time at all IMO.

RickC Sniper · 01-19-11, 02:43 PM

If the house votes to repeal it, the Senate should be forced to vote on it, so voters can hold their Senators accountable for his\her vote.

August · 01-19-11, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

If the house votes to repeal it, the Senate should be forced to vote on it, so voters can hold their Senators accountable for his\her vote.

That's the biggest thing this is likely to accomplish.

AVGWarhawk · 01-19-11, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

If the house votes to repeal it, the Senate should be forced to vote on it, so voters can hold their Senators accountable for his\her vote.

Speaks truth!

sharkbit · 01-21-11, 09:37 AM

I don't know if this adds anything to the discussion or not. To be frank, I don't understand the ins and outs of health insurance. All I really know is I have insurance thru my work and the cost has gone up every year. My employer has switched carriers three times in the last four years due to rising costs.

Anyways, in December, I went to the ER for numbness in my right arm, leg, and face and then had to spend the night in the hospital for a suspected stroke. Went thru quite a few tests, including an MRI and CT scans.

The copy of the bill came earlier this month, all itemized. $36000 total

, including $6000 for the ER visit and $8000 for the MRI.
With the contractual agreement the hospital had with the insurance company, the hospital only billed the insurance company $2400 with my out of pocket being $240.

I got the Explanation of Benefits from the insurance company yesterday which pretty much backed up what the bill was.

So where does the hospital make up the difference between the $36000 and the $2400?

Another odd story-
My brother in law's girlfriend/fiance/significant other/crazy drunk bitch (long story) who doesn't have insurance and doesn't work(another long story) was admitted to the hospital for a couple days early last year. The bll was some outrageous amount.
My brother in-law went to the hospital, told them she couldn't pay. The hospital said they would set up a payment plan. He told them she couldn't even afford that. The hospital ended up eating the whole amount except for around $600. All of this dealing took place in the span of a couple of hours at the hospital.

All of this is pretty crazy and just mystifies me.

gimpy117 · 01-21-11, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkbit

Anyways, in December, I went to the ER for numbness in my right arm, leg, and face and then had to spend the night in the hospital for a suspected stroke. Went thru quite a few tests, including an MRI and CT scans.

The copy of the bill came earlier this month, all itemized. $36000 total

, including $6000 for the ER visit and $8000 for the MRI.
With the contractual agreement the hospital had with the insurance company, the hospital only billed the insurance company $2400 with my out of pocket being $240.

I got the Explanation of Benefits from the insurance company yesterday which pretty much backed up what the bill was.

So where does the hospital make up the difference between the $36000 and the $2400?

But where does the hospital get 36,000 dollars for one person getting one test and an overnight stay? Yes, hospital's are expensive and what not, but $36,000?! some Americans don't even make that in a year. Thats more than what I spend at college a year with full room and board and books plus booze money.

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, lower middle class, most make $11-$20 bucks per hour, plumbers, ect.. Today $20 an hour would barely give you a middle class living.

yes, wages have stagnated but the CPI has marched upwards. Most of the growth in our GDP since the 80's has not gone to the middle or lower class.

GoldenRivet · 01-21-11, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkbit

So where does the hospital make up the difference between the $36000 and the $2400?

the way i understand it, they have to bill out things 5 times higher than actual cost because if you or your insurance doesnt pay they will only get a percentage of it covered by uncle sam.

If you think that your employers are having to spend a lot of time and money shopping around for insurance now... just wait until Obamacare kicks in.

they will likely opt to provide their employees with NO insurance and simply pay the government fine as this is likely to be cheaper, leaving you out in the rain to fend for yourself against the insurance companies and the government both.

mookiemookie · 01-19-11, 01:27 PM

Political grandstanding.

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Repeal of Obamacare It's known to everyone that obamacare will not be repealed, even if the house passes it, the senate won't and not near enough votes to stop a Pres Veto. Obvious it's a GOP political ploy, but everyone knows this debate won't do anything. Do you see it as a waste of time and money, since they could be debating other issues? This debate alone cost several million when each side pays to have their own numbers worked up, case studies, ect.. Really, it's just campaigning for the next election. I also read Obama will be the first to raise a billion for his next campaign.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Repeal may not work but starving the 'plan' of money works. As stated above, they campaigned repeal. They are attempting to do so. Therefore, down the road, at least they can say they attempted it. However, short sighted America will forget. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	I don't know if this adds anything to the discussion or not. To be frank, I don't understand the ins and outs of health insurance. All I really know is I have insurance thru my work and the cost has gone up every year. My employer has switched carriers three times in the last four years due to rising costs. Anyways, in December, I went to the ER for numbness in my right arm, leg, and face and then had to spend the night in the hospital for a suspected stroke. Went thru quite a few tests, including an MRI and CT scans. The copy of the bill came earlier this month, all itemized. $36000 total , including $6000 for the ER visit and $8000 for the MRI. With the contractual agreement the hospital had with the insurance company, the hospital only billed the insurance company $2400 with my out of pocket being $240. I got the Explanation of Benefits from the insurance company yesterday which pretty much backed up what the bill was. So where does the hospital make up the difference between the $36000 and the $2400? Another odd story- My brother in law's girlfriend/fiance/significant other/crazy drunk bitch (long story) who doesn't have insurance and doesn't work(another long story) was admitted to the hospital for a couple days early last year. The bll was some outrageous amount. My brother in-law went to the hospital, told them she couldn't pay. The hospital said they would set up a payment plan. He told them she couldn't even afford that. The hospital ended up eating the whole amount except for around $600. All of this dealing took place in the span of a couple of hours at the hospital. All of this is pretty crazy and just mystifies me. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Missing the point, they have no chance..0% to repeal it, may pass in the house, but won't in the senate and Obama would veto it anyway, so it's political grandstanding. So why waste the time and money until you could actually do something.... I agree it has good and bad points, but that's not what's going on here, it's a wholesale repeal. If the GOP wanted to take the time to work on it, be a different subject.

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