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McBeck 01-28-10 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TDK1044 (Post 1249432)
The Devs work for Ubisoft. They are very talented guys with a strong work ethic and a desire to do the right thing, but they work for Ubisoft.

Secondly, I am not remotely interested in what happened at the subsim 2009 meeting. It's of no relevance. I am interested in the fact that the Devs stated that the game would be more moddable than ever, knowing that it would be an online DRM game.

As for this statement....

'The chance of DRM will affect modding is so small its hard even to see it'.

I'd love to hear a technical explanation to justify how you intend to mod an online DRM game.

I believe that we may be witnessing the end of the Silent Hunter franchise......at least as we know it (Jim) :)
1) Yes the devs are employed by Ubi, but their heart is with the game. That was the itend of my statement.
2) What happended at the meeting has great relevanse to understand and believe in 1)
Also, as of now, the demostration at the meeting, is the only one that has showed the new dynamics of the campaign.

As far as DRM goes. You will still have the local installation. Why would DRM keep track of all game files and not only the ones related to its base execution?
Its used to keep track the installation, so I think it will only keep track of key files that are needed for the game to run. Thats just my thought. It makes no sense to keep track of everything.

Steeltrap 01-28-10 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by McBeck (Post 1249490)
It makes no sense to keep track of everything.
And I suppose it makes perfect sense to force me to remain connected to the internet while I play a single player game, despite having demonstrated my copy is legal?

Not wanting to have a go at you, but suggesting that DRM won't impede modding because "that wouldn't make sense" when the whole DRM as applied in this case makes no sense, well....that BELIEF makes no sense.....

McBeck 01-28-10 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Steeltrap (Post 1249494)
And I suppose it makes perfect sense to force me to remain connected to the internet while I play a single player game, despite having demonstrated my copy is legal?

Not wanting to have a go at you, but suggesting that DRM won't impede modding because "that wouldn't make sense" when the whole DRM as applied in this case makes no sense, well....that BELIEF makes no sense.....
Im suggesting that DRM is setup to keep track of core files thats need to run the game. I suggest theres no obvious NEED to keep track of everything.
Im not suggesing that DRM is a good choice. I personally think its a very bad choice.
Take a look at Steam games. Steam is DRM, but you can still mod.

maerean_m 01-28-10 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TDK1044 (Post 1249432)
The Devs work for Ubisoft. They are very talented guys with a strong work ethic and a desire to do the right thing, but they work for Ubisoft.

Secondly, I am not remotely interested in what happened at the subsim 2009 meeting. It's of no relevance. I am interested in the fact that the Devs stated that the game would be more moddable than ever, knowing that it would be an online DRM game.

As for this statement....

'The chance of DRM will affect modding is so small its hard even to see it'.

I'd love to hear a technical explanation to justify how you intend to mod an online DRM game.
To answer you technical question: the entire game is created with mod-ing in mind and the game comes with much more tools to create all sorts of content

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...04#post1249904

Regards,
M.

AVGWarhawk 01-28-10 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by maerean_m (Post 1249998)
To answer you technical question: the entire game is created with mod-ing in mind and the game comes with much more tools to create all sorts of content

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...04#post1249904

Regards,
M.

:yeah:

In a word...sweet!

Fact:

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If it were not for Mcbeck I would still be smoking. We live world apart. Never met. Suggested a book on quiting. Book read. Success.
See...it's all good. :D When is the game due out?

martes86 01-28-10 05:30 PM
Ok... hope's high again... :yeah::D

karamazovnew 01-28-10 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by maerean_m (Post 1249998)
To answer you technical question: the entire game is created with mod-ing in mind and the game comes with much more tools to create all sorts of content

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...04#post1249904

Regards,
M.
The second we're allowed to play it offline, I'll take a taxi to the closest game store. :up:

stabiz 01-28-10 05:38 PM
Yeah, me too. I do have a stable and fast internet connection, but its the principle. (And the fact that I bet the one time my internet goes dead I would be at sea in SH5)

Task Force 01-28-10 05:48 PM
I do have a pretty stable connection... But what about there servers... what if I want to play the game, but they have something else in mind... well then I am stuck with a disc... and 5+ gigs of BS on my hard drive till they surface again...

Ubi makes no sence...

JU_88 01-28-10 05:57 PM
Right then, can some one please point me to a link that proves that SH5
(not Ubi games in general but specifically SH5) will have DRM that pauses the game if you lose your internet connection?

If not, then it is just yet more spectulation & assumptions. :doh:

Anything can happen in the next 5 weeks

bigboywooly 01-28-10 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1250272)
Right then, can some one please point me to a link that proves that SH5
(not Ubi games in general but specifically SH5) will have DRM that pauses the game if you lose your internet connection?

If not, then it is just yet more spectulation & assumptions. :doh:

Anything can happen in the next 5 weeks

From Q and A on this forum

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/...161085487/p/14

Quote:
Silent Hunter 5 includes our new online services: You can install your game on as many computers, your savegames are stored online and you can retrieve it from anywhere and will play on any DVD / CD longer needed in the drive.
To ensure this, the game must be linked with the Ubi.com, and the PC must be connected during the entire season with the Internet.

bigboywooly 01-28-10 06:13 PM
From Q and A on this forum

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/...161085487/p/14


Quote:
Silent Hunter 5 includes our new online services: You can install your game on as many computers, your savegames are stored online and you can retrieve it from anywhere and will play on any DVD / CD longer needed in the drive.
To ensure this, the game must be linked with the Ubi.com, and the PC must be connected during the entire season with the Internet.
And from Elanaiba

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While I can't comment on the DRM solution, I know it wont affect the modability.
Which basically says its in if you dont trust the first link

JU_88 01-28-10 06:20 PM
Thanks BBW.
" The computer must be conected for the entire 'season' " ? like winter, spring? or do they mean 'session'
either way I still dont see any hard evidence of the game pausing or crapping out if a connection is lost.
Though i appreiciate that is how it sounds.

Im still buy it regardless, for me personally- it will be no worse that my connection flaking out when I am playing C&C or something online.

bigboywooly 01-28-10 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1250303)
Thanks BBW.
" The computer must be conected for the entire 'season' " ? like winter, spring? or do they mean 'session'
either way I still dont see any hard evidence of the game pausing or crapping out if a connection is lost.
Though i appreiciate that is how it sounds.

Im still buy it regardless, for me personally- it will be no worse that my connection flaking out when I am playing C&C or something online.
lol keep up mate

http://support.uk.ubi.com/online-services-platform/

What will happen if I lose my Internet connection when I play the game?
If you lose your Internet connection the game will pause while it tries to reconnect. If the Internet Connection is unable to resume you can continue the game from where you left off or from the last saved game.

kiwi_2005 01-28-10 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bigboywooly (Post 1250326)
lol keep up mate

http://support.uk.ubi.com/online-services-platform/

What will happen if I lose my Internet connection when I play the game?
If you lose your Internet connection the game will pause while it tries to reconnect. If the Internet Connection is unable to resume you can continue the game from where you left off or from the last saved game.

Dont panic! How are you going to lose your connection if you do go find a better ISP provider. Im on one of NZ crappiest internet ISP available i play online games like World of Warcraft, Battlefield 2 and Steams Teamfortress this requires continuous internet connection, Never lose it apart from the odd power failure during a storm which is like once in a blue moon. Why would I lose connection when playing SH5 then. It only needs connection to start the game. And im sure their be an offline mode available - if not im certain we will not have disconnections with ubisoft/steam network?


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