And you further prove the point Enigma - "there is no debate here" - "bubbling tripe", "whining" etc etc etc. In other words - you can't carry on a discussion on the meat of the matter - so your dismissive of it.There was no whining - just an invitation for you to add to the topic in a substantiative manner. You apparently can't, or won't.

Thats fair.

Just don't be suprised when an intellectual discourse is dismissive of you for that very reason.

Personally as a Brit I'm offended at the gifts given.

As for the reset button cockup I think it shows gross incompetence. As Aramike has stated in foreign relations there are many nuances and something like this no matter how small can leave the wrong impression.

Are you trying to tell me that the state department doesn't have or couldn't find a native Russian speaker or a member of the dept. who knows Russian well to check it before it was given.

I think at worst though the Russians are having a laugh now at Clinton's expense.

Fella's,

You severely overestimate how your opinion will affect me. Severely.

Love,

Enigma.:yeah:

Hmmm, maybe you should have bolded Severely just to prove how overestimating everyone really is... :hmmm:

Oh, ....

And I do have criticism for Obama. But, by and large, I think he's doing a good job. Problem?

You see, I won't go out of my way to dig up anything, anything, even something as useless as this ridiculous example above, to criticize Obama. I've been critical of him for reasons I see relevant, but I have no idea why you would think I should be critical just because you think I should be.

If I'm immediatly dismissed as having no clue about foreign relations because I don't care about your fox news story, so be it. Your not interested in anyone else's opinion if it goes against your own, as demonstrated above, so please stop acting like you encourage it.....

Do you really feel these guys need you to hold their hand, uncle August?

If I was your uncle i'd have sold you to Gypsies long ago.

Oh, I'm sure I would have killed myself long before that, old man.

:har:

Can't handle sticking to the facts, so you rely on an ad hominem response???

Okay, fine, here's the same story from another source you may enjoy more (the New York Times):
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/wo...7diplo.html?hp

Here's a story about the Russian media making fun of Clinton:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Oh, and here's Reuters reporting on Clinton mispronouncing EU leaders' names and claiming that the US democracy is older than Europe's:

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...090306?sp=true

Or is Reuters too biased for you too?

Oh, and Fox News is typically considered right-wing because of its commentary-type shows - not because of its reporting. But I do find it telling that you believe that simply invoking the name "Fox News" absolves any relevence an issue may have...

Do you often think about killing yourself?

I didn't say that, you did. I stated where the article came from. That's it. The rest is just projections from an already made up mind. :yawn:

Do you often think about leaving the house?

Naw, I just go ahead and do it. How about you?

Oh, yeah, sure ... you didn't mean anything by it. Riiigghhtt.... :yeah:

If you didn't want to comment on the subject matter in that Fox News article, why are you in this thread again?

Oh yeah, and my mind is made up on this issue. Unless, of course, your saying that there are more facts I should consider, in which case I would reevaluate my position.

That's how open minds work. It doesn't mean we're indecisive, rather it means we evaluate each piece of information without bias.\ and form our biased opinion from that perspective.

:har:

Yeah, you and your open mind. Don't make me laugh....

And I'm in this thread because I can. Problem?

Leave the house? Yeah, I do that too.